Baren Digest Thursday, 11 January 2001 Volume 14 : Number 1282 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vollmer/Yamaguchi Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:42:01 -0400 Subject: [Baren 12926] Wow I want Yamaguchi! I have been using the paper I got from Graham, which was more than $10 a sheet, but it is great. I got the 8 monne (sp?) rather than the less expensive 6 monne, and would love to have more. This is the best news since electricity! April Vollmer 174 Eldridge St, NYC 10002, 212-677-5691 http://www.aprilvollmer.com ------------------------------ From: Brian Lockyear Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:30:07 -0800 Subject: [Baren 12927] Giclee revisited... Remembering the conversation a week or so ago about the giclee repros seen in Mexico, I saw an interesting version of the same at a gallery in Cannon Beach, Oregon, this past weekend. There was an unframed original watercolor by a Seattle artist John Ebner sitting next to a very similar, framed, "limited-edition" giclee reproduction of another watercolor by the same artist. The original was priced at $1300. The limited-edition repro was $1200!! But maybe it was just a really expensive frame. :-) - Brian - ------------------------------ From: "Walters, Stephanie J. (Nevada Color)" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:16:49 -0600 Subject: [Baren 12928] RE: Giclee revisited... charset="iso-8859-1" Depending on how big that Giclee was the artist probably made upwards of 90% profit on selling one print. It can be pretty cheap to get into and possibly make you a lot of money. Seems silly to charge so little for the original though?? Maybe you are right about the frame?? ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:53:33 -0800 Subject: [Baren 12929] Re: Giclee revisited... charset="iso-8859-1" Stephanie...I think that 90% is a bit high,..First the gallery takes 50% then the artist is stuck with the printing costs which includes a set-up charge. The printing and set-up can be as much as $250. Which leaves the artist with $350. Then of course you are left with a large Deskjet "print" which needs to be sold. A rip-off to the buyer in my humble opinion. Philip Hammond, OR USA ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:52:46 -0600 Subject: [Baren 12930] air bubbles in your print.... 01/10/2001 12:52:42 PM Not what you are thinking!.......a couple of people have asked me how I carved those tiny round air bubbles in my cartoonish #7 print, so since the print was more of a woodworking project than a carving...I thought I share the "assembly" process... #7 print: http://barenforum.org/members/rodriguez/exchange_7.jpg ....the #7 print was based on the theme that "the big fish will eat the little fish" and "every once in a while look back, someone may be gaining on you"........I thought it was funny, maybe, got the idea from a kiddie drinking cup and my younger son picked the colors and gave me his blessings. Not much carving there, the fish figures were scrolled out of 1/4" cherry wood and glued unto a larger registration block (pressed wood) with some L shaped flat metal attached to serve as kento registration marks.......once glue was dry, holes were carved in the block & fish bodies to accomodate each of the circular patterns and a first impression taken of the main fish body parts.......a second impression consisted of just wooden dowels tapped into the pre-existing holes to keep the registration close. The dowels were printed all at one time using different colors for the fish spots, air bubbles and fish eyes...I used a sanding disk on my table-top drill press to sand all the different sized dowels to an uniform height....so "the block" would print evenly on my Vandercook press ...the third impression was just of the sea waves, the inner dowels for the fishes pupils and the fishing line.......the original drawing had a worried worm sitting on the hook, but I left that out in the final version....don't know why. In a sense it was more of a woodworking project that a hanga print. But I was very happy with the control from print to print within the edition of 45+. It was the first time where I was able to breeze thru sheet after sheet w/o much trouble and making things look the same. The Rives medium paper was good to work with and I kept it moist inside plastic bags thru the edition since I use watercolors. my Vandercook Model 02 press: http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/photojr/van0201s.jpg thanks....Julio ------------------------------ From: b.patera@att.net Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:05:12 +0000 Subject: [Baren 12931] Re: Giclee revisited... Think it's more like 900%.... makes you a little ill, doesn't it. ------------------------------ From: b.patera@att.net Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:13:09 +0000 Subject: [Baren 12932] Julio's bubbles Julio, How ingenious. Glad you're sharing your secret.... for me, a new and fascinating way of putting together a "woodcut" plate. Now I can try a new method as well as enjoy your print. Barbara P. ------------------------------ From: "Bridget Henry" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:26:32 -0800 Subject: [Baren 12933] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1281 Hello April, sorry it took me so long to respond I have been away from the computer. If you have the time I would love to show you around the UCSC printshop, I have been working up there for 8 years and love it although I am soon going to be on my own! How many days will you be in Santa Cruz? I am also interested in the class you are teaching in Berkley but I have not been able to find the info on times and cost. Bye If you want to get ahold of me feel free to email at bridgetmary@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Walters, Stephanie J. (Nevada Color)" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:45:07 -0600 Subject: [Baren 12934] Re: Giclee revisited... charset="iso-8859-1" You read my mind, that is really what I meant. They cost about $20-$40 per print here at my shop (plus start up work fees of about $150) ------------------------------ From: "Walters, Stephanie J. (Nevada Color)" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:58:06 -0600 Subject: [Baren 12935] Re: Giclee revisited... charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah, I guess the idea is to sell a limited edition and recoup your initial start up fees in the first print sold. Then afterwards you can make a good profit per print, especially if you don't show in a traditional gallery. If you, for instance, have a website that you are selling them from, that is very minimal cost to you. Also, it keeps the artist from having to store their prints or do them all at one time. The printer has their files and simply prints out what they need when they sell one. I don't believe that Giclees are for printmakers. They aren't a real print in my opinion. But for a painter or a pastel artist... It is a way to make money, especially if you can sell one for $1200. As far as it being a rip off to consumers, if you have a high quality Giclee and the media of the original is conducive to being reproduced by the Giclee process... you can hardly tell the difference in some cases. The durability is also very high. There are many variables that all have to come together to make a good print, though, and they are not for everyone, this is true. ( They are really not for me, either! I am a true lover of handmade prints.) Sorry, all, that was a bit longwinded! ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:07:43 EST Subject: [Baren 12936] Re: air bubbles in your print.... Julio Nice fish print-- Miss Simplicity here has got to hand it to you for the process you went through to get such a lovely image. Congrats and thank you for sharing. Carol Lyons Irvington, NY ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:54:06 -0800 Subject: [Baren 12937] exhibit in Ohio Gail, Good JOB!!!! We all appreciate your efforts. I have all the archives if they are ever needed for exhibit! Barbara ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest v14 #1282 *****************************