Baren Digest               Friday, 5 January 2001       Volume 14 : Number 1274


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From: Daniel Dew <ddew@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:06:02 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12799] Hanga and Lino 

I've been contemplating an experiment:  I want to try hanga on a lino block.
Has anyone ever tried before?  What were the results?

dan dew
tampa,fl


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From: Daniel Dew <ddew@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12800] Hooray for exchange #9 

I have been in tentative discussions with the local art venue here in Tampa,
The Artists Unlimited Group.  They have a really beautiful gallery and
public funding.  We have been discussing a potential Baren show, and I used
this exchange as the "idea" to promote the show.
Now that this idea has been accepted as the "theme", I will, with everyone's
permission, procedd ahead at full speed to set up the show.

Please advise,


dan dew


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From: GraphChem@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:36:39 EST
Subject: [Baren 12801] Re: All linos are not equal... 

I would question the source of linoleum being from Germany. There is really 
only one source for linoleum these days, and that is a Dutch company. Most of 
us that sell high quality lino use their "softer" version, although there are 
still some that use the fully processed harder version. Any linoleum will 
harden with age. It is best to keep it in a warm area to help keep it soft. A 
very important tip for lino users during the cold weather - let rolls warm to 
room temperature before unrolling. This will minimize the tendency to crack. 
(It's probably a well known fact to this group, but just on the off chance 
that it isn't to some, I offer my 2 cents worth).

Dean Clark

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From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" <studiojnc@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:45:29 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12802] Re: Baren Directions charset="iso-8859-1" 

Josephine

My oooooo mail was a glitch in the machine, not done purposely.
Had to defend myself, sorry about the glitch.

Jeanne N.



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From: Carolyn Pflederer <pfledere@northnet.net>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:13:23 -0600
Subject: [Baren 12803] Lawrence's brown lino 

I have to say the best, best, best, lino in the world (as far as I'm 
concerned) is the brown battleship lino (which is were it was first 
invented and made for the old Dreadnought Destroyers) made in Glasgow 
before the factory burnt down in 1996 or so. God I love that stuff...  

Question...is there a place where we can still get this lino?  If not,
what do you think is the next best thing?
thanks,
Carolyn

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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:21:10 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12804] Re: Hanga and Lino 

Dan,
The problem is the lino will not absorb water so will not print the same as
wood, but using Akua Kolor I think your results will be pretty good. You will
just have to experiment. Sarah uses Akua Kolor all the time, but I don't know if
she has tried it on lino. Maybe she will let us know. Hope you have good
results.It might look different, but still nice. It might be hard to keep the
whole block wet, maybe sanding it a bit to make the surface a little more
porous.
Barbara



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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:22:58 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12805] show in Tampa 

Dan,
This is great, we are of course thrilled to show baren work in evey city
we have members!!! Let us know what we can do to help and remember Julio
has all those frames if you need them.
Barbara

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From: kfoley@boo.net
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:32:51 GMT
Subject: [Baren 12806] Re: Farewell. 

First, Graham, I would be interested in hearing anything that you have to say 
about varnish vs. shellac but the "varnish verses" you offer really belong in 
After Five.

To those of you who have a lot of experience from one who has almost none:

I don't post to this forum much because I don't have much to add.  I don't yet 
need expert advice on the mistakes I make in printing -- they're obvious and 
glaring.  If somebody has a technical question anyone else here would probably 
be able to give a better answer. *BUT* I read *everything* you people write 
*every* day.  The very little time I have to carve or print is a joy and I am 
always applying your advice and trying your techniques.  They work. I'm 
improving.  I don't think I'm alone when I say Thank you, Don't go away!

"Dodging bullets"

They're not bullets.  An e-mail is effortless to compose and send and can be 
sent without fear of confrontation in the physical world -- and without 
witnessing the hurt it may cause.  It really sets people free to speak their 
(sometimes tiny) minds.  If you put the value of a nastygram at the amount of 
effort and risk it cost the sender, you can discard them without a second 
thought.  Anything on the web is a very public forum.  If you're on the stage 
and saying your lines in front of many, many people and a few throw tomatoes, 
remember that some didn't come to see the play, they came to throw tomatoes. 



> It does grieve me to see the direction the Baren is going.  We had a 
> wonderful vehicle here for the help and development of people 
> interested in Hanga.  Now I can see that it has become bitter, 
> vindictive and nasty. I am not interested in dodging any more bullets 
> so I am moving on.


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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 07:44:09 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12807] Israel Exhibit boundary

Dear Baren Members,
Aryre has found another venue for us in Israel, here are the addresses
for the people who made the first one possible. Thanks are in order,
take a minute and do so if you had work in this exhibit.

Mr. Amos Nahir at Degania Silicone
http://www.degania-silicone.co.il
<amos@degania-silicone.co.il>

Mr. Dov Berav at Degania Sprayers
http://www.kinneret.co.il
<despray@kinneret.co.il>

... were the two people who provided the money for the framing, etc.
costs, and

the curator, Mrs. Sari Levi, c/o (saarye@hotmail.com)

... was responsible for letting us use the location, and for the
expenses involved there.

this was the one of the original posts from Ayre:

WOODBLOCK PRINT EXHIBITION
BEIT GAVRIEL
NOVEMBER 20 ~ DECEMBER 16, 2000

There have been many exhibitions of woodblock prints held, but this one
is different - the participating artists live all over the world - their
contact point is [Baren] an internet forum for woodblock printmaking.

The forum was started by a Canadian, Dave Bull, who lives and works in
Japan. The medium of woodcut prints has lost popularity in recent years due to
the development of newer process of printing, but the stubborness of Dave
Bull helped develop the [Baren] Forum, which has slowly grown over the past
few years until there are now more than 250 members, who live all over the world.
The artists are in daily contact over the internet, communicating with both
email and images.

This is the fourth one of these unique exhibitions following others in
New York, Chicago and Kampala Uganda. The high class of the artists and their
different backrounds promises an exceptional exhibition.

We, the members of the [Baren] Forum, hope you will enjoy looking at our
works as much as we enjoyed making them.

***
WOODBLOCK PRINT EXHIBITION

This exhibition was built with contacts made in cyberspace based on the
'woodblock.com' website, home of [Baren] the international forum for
woodblock
printmaking.

This exhibition is made possible by the help and support of:

Beit Gavriel Degania Silicone and Degania Sprayers

On behalf of the members of [Baren], and the artists participating from
all over
the world, we are grateful for this assistance.
Arie Saar Degania Bet Israel

so lets let these people know we appreciate their help and their $$$$
Best to all,
Barbara Mason
Baren Council

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:56:42 EST
Subject: [Baren 12808] Re: Farewell. 

If you aren't gone graham, I am new to this list and appreciated your 
comments.  I need people like you, please try to stay????


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From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 10:17:22 -0700
Subject: [Baren 12809] Re: Hanga and Lino 

Daniel Dew wrote:
> 
> I've been contemplating an experiment:  I want to try hanga on a lino block.
> Has anyone ever tried before?  What were the results?

I've wondered about that too, Dan. The Portland Linocut blocks are afixed to
soemthing they call "Ranger Board" or MDF (medium density fiberboard?) So it has
to be protected from water or it swells up like a blowfish & disintegrates before
your eyes. 

Try it & let us know what you think. Plus, which lino & which pigments, etc. A
detailed report with all the minuses & pluses.

Super news about Exchange #9! I don't know why anyone would object. Go for it!
(Hope I can get into #9!)  Love those exchanges, and the exhibits are a lovely bonus.

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GraphChem@aol.com wrote:

> still some that use the fully processed harder version. Any linoleum will
> harden with age. It is best to keep it in a warm area to help keep it soft. A

How warm, Dean? My studio is kept at around 60 degrees fahrenheit. I like it
cool, should I keep it in my husband's den? He likes it around 70 degrees. :-)

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Jeanne Norman Chase wrote:
> 
> Josephine
> 
> My oooooo mail was a glitch in the machine, not done purposely.
> Had to defend myself, sorry about the glitch.

Jeanne, we know how computers are. You got the gremlin out & everything is
working fine now. Don't worry about it at all. These things happen to all of us.

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From: GraphChem@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:23:41 EST
Subject: [Baren 12810] Re: Hanga and Lino 

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I don't have a specific recommendation on temperature, but 60 degrees is on 
the cool side. I would suggest at least 70 degrees for best results. This is 
just a way to reduce problems as the material ages. You can always heat it up 
just prior to working on it by heating it in an oven or even using an iron.

Dean


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From: judy mensch <mensch.interport@rcn.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:08:34 -0500
Subject: [Baren 12811] Re: Lino 

Using a hot plate on a low temperature is a wonderful way to cut lino.
It cuts like butter.
Judy

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From: brad <brads@iea.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:55:26 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12812] Re: Lino 

> Using a hot plate on a low temperature is a wonderful way to cut lino.
> It cuts like butter.

If you can find them, the best thing to use to warm lino while you're
working on it is a food warmer.

I found 2 of them at a thrift store for about $7 each. They are glass topped
and use 'radiant' heat to warm the surface. They are about 3-4 inches high
and you can adjust the temp from barely warm to scorching hot (hot enough to
wipe intaglio / etching plates) on them...

Work great!

Brad


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From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:29:42 -0600
Subject: [Baren 12813] Re: It's the hands..!!! 01/04/2001 05:29:30 PM 

Lawrence writes:
"It's probably fair to say that its the hands that work the material
and not so much the material itself that allows the detail."

Totally agree with this statement Lawrence, I suppose on the hands of a
newbie both processes would be equally trying.  I don't recognize the artists you mentioned,
tried the net but came back empty with only one find on Waller..something about stained glass in Australia (?).

Do you have online links to their work ?

thanks...Julio


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From: Artsmadis@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:41:49 EST
Subject: [Baren 12814] International bookmark print exchange 

This might be interesting to Baren members, a 2" by 8" hand pulled bookmark 
exchange from Belgium. URL is:

 http://home.tiscalinet.be/printmaking-in-be/pr-in-be/exchange.html

Darrell

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From: Lawrence <vurt1@optushome.com.au>
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:59:18 +1100
Subject: [Baren 12815] Re: Hanga and Lino 

I tried years ago and found that the lino sometimes rejects the water based 
ink a little giving a slightly splotchy effect.

Regards

Lawrence

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From: Brian Lockyear <brianl@synopsys.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:01:37 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12817] Re: All linos are not equal... <200101050052.JAA17084@ml.asahi-net.or.jp> 

No, Dean was replying to me regarding my post on the source of Portland
Lino's lino.  I said Germany based on the info on McClain's web page but it
could very well be wrong.

    - Brian -

Portland, Oregon



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From: Lawrence <vurt1@optushome.com.au>
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:07:17 +1100
Subject: [Baren 12818] Re: Lawrence's brown lino 

Good question, I am still finding the old battleship brown lino in older 
art supply stores also from the odd raid on old warehouses, where it has 
been used as flooring. Other than that I'm no longer sure. I found about 6 
metres of the stuff on a street corner when I lived in Glasgow and have 
been going through that for the last period of time bit by bit. I even left 
2 metres of it in Glasgow with a friend when I returned to Australia.

I'll have a little think and see if I can't find out if they are still 
producing it else where.

Regards

Lawrence

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From: Artsmadis@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:40:07 EST
Subject: [Baren 12821] Re: International bookmark print exchange 

I'm sure they would, they say worldwide--might be a good idea to email them 
first.  I believe you can get the international postage coupons at the U. S. 
Post Office, may have to go to the main P.O. in your area.  Sounds really 
good.

Darrell

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:01:25 EST
Subject: [Baren 12822] Re: Hanga and Lino 

If it helps hanga and i have no clue what i am speaking of when i say hanga, 
or a little but not much i tried a waterbased ink today on a linoblock.  i 
rolled it up and onto the plate.  the result was not good the print was very 
light and not worthwhile, perhaps i need a thickening agent????  i was using 
akua kolor and my press to run it.
Marilynn

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From: Sunnffunn@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:24:26 EST
Subject: [Baren 12823] Re: Hanga and Lino 

when i pulled that lino in waterbased akua kolor today i wouldered what would 
happen if i did it reduction print style and layered it on????  then it would 
eventually get heavy i should think?

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From: barebonesart <barebonesart@home.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:21:03 -0800
Subject: [Baren 12824] Re: Baren Digest v14 #1273 

Lacking anything original to say regarding the brou-ha-ha of late I will
quote Rodney King. 

"Can't we all just get along?"

Or words to that effect. If we, who have a common love of prints to share -
if we can't get along over the internet even (we are not living in close
proximity day after day, for goodness sake) If we can't get along, how can
we expect the rest of the world to do so. I guess I just don't understand
what's going on and am a bit of a Pollyanna.  Please, can't we all kiss and
make up now????  Aren't we here to help each other and share, etc. etc. etc.
I know we're all good people, so what's the problem?  Okay, Okay, I'll quit
for now.

Sharri



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