Baren Digest             Thursday, 26 October 2000     Volume 13 : Number 1194


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From: "Elizabeth B. Atwood" <elizuno@midcoast.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Baren 11858] Neil Welliver 

Gillyin is right about Neil Welliver.
He is a well known and respected Maine PAINTER.....not a printmaker as we
all are. The reason for the awe-inspiring prices.....is because that is
what he gets for his paintings.
His paintings of our wonderful woods have a woodblock look about them.
Glad to see you have come aboard, Gillyin.............ElizA

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From: "Kinzua" <Kinzua@email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:25:52 -0400
Subject: [Baren 11859] Re:   Baren Digest V13 #1188 charset="Windows-1252" 

Hello All,
Hey I didn't know Julie London died.  I loved her.  Well cry me a river too.
But first, can anyone give me some pointers on Chine Colle?  I've been
trying to do some with a woodcut and fabric on paper.  The paper keeps
sticking to the wood no matter what glue I use.  Any suggestions?
Karen
http://homepages.msn.com/timessquare/kfberkenfeld/

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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:53:13 -0700
Subject: [Baren 11860] Two schools of thought 

Gillyin wrote.....
>-   i am unfamiliar with the term "hanga"     --

Hanga is the word for Japanese woodblock prints.
Sort of the sport of Hanga....  (<:  Makin' prints

>  but it is one of my pet
>peeves  to see a painter  hand his work to a japanese master to carve and
>print , and then be given credit for 'doing woodcuts'...

There are two schools of thought on this.
The image and it's creation is all important.... therefore the 
producing of it in woodblock or any print medium is secondary. 
Creation is all that artist has an interest in doing. The printmaking 
function is for the artisan or craftsperson who makes a facsimile of 
the original. The artist is so heavily involved in the creation of 
works that time will not permit them to deviate.
Their was a time frame in history where this was very prevalent.  I 
think less today which I think is because of the prolification of the 
photomechanical stuff that saturates the market.

The other school is the artist that would not dream of having someone 
do his/her work.
The print is the creation with all it's variations and each is an 
original yet a likeness to the minds eye.  Very often the artists 
does not have an original sketch but draws, in our case a key line 
drawing and proceed to carve the plates for colours as envisioned. 
Quite often they improvises along the way and the image grows as the 
plates are carved.  I have done many this way working from a 
thumbnail colour sketch or just a graphite thumbnail.   Estevan 
lighthouse is one of those.

Have fun.

Graham

ps.

When you reply to e-mails please cut out the original message using 
only a part that refers to the message you are presently sending. It 
is a polite method adopted so as not sent a lot of redundant bits and 
bytes in cyberspace..

For example you had 9 previous responses tail ending your message.I 
have left them on here to illustrate what mean.


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From: "kate courchaine" <katecourchaine@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:23:26 GMT
Subject: [Baren 11861] Printmaking Artifacts 

Hello Barenees and Bareneses,

Today I came across some interesting printmaking artifacts in a antique 
store which I believe are Chinese Chops.  They are in a set of 12, appear to 
be made out of multicolored soap stone, their bottoms measuring 9/16" x 
9/16" are blank, and each has a different Chinese zodiac animal carved on 
the top.  The dealer thought they dated from before the rise of communism in 
China.  He said many objects like this(art related?)were warehoused by the 
communist regime.

Does any one know about Chinese Chops?  Do these sound like Chinese Chops?  
Why are they in a set of 12?  Would a printer use a set, and use the mark 
that corresponded with the current year?  Or would printer use one that 
corresponded with their birth year? Perhaps the zodiac animals are purely 
decorative? What would the printer carve into the bottom? their name?

As to Julio's question about print purchases, I bought several wood 
engravings this summer for 30$ each, and thought that the printmakers should 
be charging more for them (though I was pleased to buy them so 
inexpensively).  Some of the prints were from a printmaker known to me, some 
not, they were all great images.

As to print prices, mine range from 40$ starting with 4x6" to 225$ for  14" 
x 20" unframed.  All editions are between 12 & 100.  I am just starting to 
establish myself as a printmaker, so these prices seem in line with what I 
have seen.

Best Wishes,  Kate Courchaine

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From: "Cate Pfeifer" <Cate108@Earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:54:35 -0400
Subject: [Baren 11862] Re: Printmaking Artifacts charset="iso-8859-1" 

Howdy Kate,

I am going to answer your Chinese Chops message off-line.  I would really
like to get a conversation on this topic going with you and with anyone else
who is interested.  Write to me on this topic - everyone!!!

Just a reminder, there is an encyclopedia entry on chops:

http://www.woodblock.com/encyclopedia/entries/012_10/012_10_frame.html

Cate



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