Baren Digest Wednesday, 18 October 2000 Volume 13 : Number 1183 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lynita Shimizu Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:54:10 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11746] Re: John Root's baren I'm also interested in one of John's barens and am eager to hear all the details. My order of Yamaguchi san's paper finally arrived (shipped in a heavy, wooden box) and I am happily in the midst of printing with my paper gold. There is something very special about using paper when you know who made it and from where it comes. Best wishes to all, Lynita ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:21:09 EDT Subject: [Baren 11747] Re: Graham's barens, etc Congrats to Sarah on the On/Off Paper Show! Carol ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:07:40 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11748] barens charset="iso-8859-1" At the risk of stirring up a bit of excitement, I'm a little confused on these barens. Not to offend John Root or anyone, but wasn't Graham the one heartily recommending "get professional tools and be done with it?" Now we are supposed to buy barens from a first-time baren maker? Some things just make you go hmmmm.... Maria PS For the handy folk in the group I have some SW-style jute barens that are out of this world. Just follow the instructions from the Encyclopedia on how to make one. Use good quality jute; I wrap mine with canvas because bamboo skins dry out. Also Philip sent me a cord-coil baren that works great for larger areas, and this is using oil based inks that need more pressure to print. <><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango, Printmaker Las Vegas Nevada USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: "Sarojini Johnson" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:08:16 -0500 Subject: [Baren 11749] Re: Baren Digest V13 #1179 Does anyone know where to purchase a new book press? ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:30:40 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11750] Re: John Root's baren charset="iso-8859-1" I also am interested in these new John Root barens - I couldn't find a reference to cost though - Graham? Lynita your paper purchase sounds wonderful. Maria - how about in between those 1,000 wood blocks you make some of your wonderful barens to sell to us lazy folk? Bea Gold 2206 Micheltorena Street Los Angeles, CA 90039 (323) 660-0106 bnj50@earthlink.net http://www.beagold.com/ > ------------------------------ From: "Bridget Henry" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:51:54 PDT Subject: [none] Hello and HELP! I was going to reframe a print yesterday and when I went to try to take the print off of the glass part of it stuck. I framed it before the black (litho ink) was completly dry thinking that the matt would keep it off of the glass. Does anyone have any advise on how to seperate the print from the glass without damage to the print? Thanks, Bridget Henry ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:54:12 EDT Subject: [Baren 11752] Re: Chop marks I put my red Asian chop where it looks best according to the composition. My collectors are Asians and so far no one has complained. Carol ------------------------------ From: "Cate Pfeifer" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:26:25 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11753] Re: Asian Chops charset="iso-8859-1" I have been trying to learn how to make the Asian Chops. If anyone has any information that they can contribute to this effort, I would be very appreciative. Cate ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11754] Re: Asian Chops Me thinks the info is on the Baren page? Where, me not sure. dan dew ------------------------------ From: "Cate Pfeifer" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:03:29 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11755] Re: Asian Chops charset="iso-8859-1" Wow! That would be great if it was. I looked for it but could not find it - does anyone know where it is? Cate ------------------------------ From: ArtfulCarol@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:03:47 EDT Subject: [Baren 11756] Re: Asian Chops My friend had a chop made for me in China , as a present. It says "My friend the artist" I understand For many years my work was said to look Asian, so when I received the chop I was happy to use it on certain works. I do not know where the Asian influence comes from . Years ago I was writing greeting cards, free lance,and poems similar to haiku. Mine were the American version, called cinquains., originated by Adelaide Crapsey in the early 1900's. I f anyone is interested there is a book written about her, Alone in the Dawn by Karen Alkalay-Gut. American Carol Lyons born in Brooklyn ,NY http://www.rst-art.com/artfulcarol.htm ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:07:37 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11757] Re: John Root's baren Lynita, I have not been able to make contact with Yamaguchi san. How did you do this? Do you have a phone number? Was English used in the transaction? Thanks, Graham ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11758] Re: barens Maria, I don't recall every saying that about barens. Paper YES. You don't have to purchase anything .... no one is forcing the issue. What has been said is that the unit John has designed is very close to the REAL thing and if you want to be there, the opportunity is yours. I have endorsed the unit to help a fellow Canadian it is all that simple. It works like a tin whistle..... (<: Graham ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:20:50 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11759] Re: Asian Chops AHA, I found it! I knew there was a section on the chop marks. here you go: http://www.woodblock.com/encyclopedia/entries/012_10/012_10_frame.html dan dew ------------------------------ From: "Bill H. Ritchie, Jr" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:21:57 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11761] Re: Asian Chops charset="iso-8859-1" A Chinese artist friend of mine gave me mine as a gift. She carved it in what appears to be pink/orange marble, but it may be onyx or soapstone. ------------------------------ From: jenvey@juno.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:37:27 -0500 Subject: [Baren 11762] Re: Just a thought The litho ink would be oil based so couldn't you submerge the glass and paper in water (soak it for a short time) and possibly it would detach itself and the ink stay intact with the paper. Jean J ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Baren 11763] hmmmm... Dear Bridget, I would definitely,first, try and scrap it loose with a razor blade. If the paper's too thin and it has not been more than 2 days that it happened I would moisture the back of the paper with a piece of cotton (size of a mouthful) dipped in white spirit. As soon as it dries out try heating GENTLY ( with a lighter, 10-15 cm away...that is 4-5 inches)from below the print (which means it must be placed face+glass down. WHILE heating you or a helper GENTLY pull the print. If that does not seem to work...hmmmm....I'd probably break the glass and place the print with just the smallest possible fragment of the glass stuck to it on some soft and hit-absorbing surface (blanket or heavy cloth). Then I'd try and smash to the tinniest pieces possible. After all, you can always print it again........can't you? I hope this helps, please let me know on the results, regards, Dimitris ------------------------------ From: Lynita Shimizu Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:08:00 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11764] Re: John Root's baren <200010170540.OAA51780@ml.asahi-net.or.jp> <200010171445.XAA52270@ml.asahi-net.or.jp> <200010171902.EAA25980@ml.asahi-net.or.jp> Graham Scholes wrote: Graham, In attempting to purchase Yamaguchi san's paper, Japanese husbands come in quite handy. Dave gave us their phone number and my husband made first contact from Connecticut, stating that he was referred to the Yamaguchi's by David Bull. At that time we asked for sample paper and a price list. As it was really hard, even for a native Japanese, to relay the spelling of our address, I would suggest having someone write a letter of inquiry in Japanese and perhaps include a pre-addressed label for their use. I will send you (and anyone else who wants to buy the paper) the address and phone number privately as I don't know the ethics involved here. Also the sample paper did not have dosa (it wasn't sized) so you might want to request that your samples have it. When dealing with the Yamaguchi's, it is best to be rather relaxed about the pricing as it wasn't quite consistent. (I think our order caught them by surprise.) Luckily my husband was able to send them payment while on a business trip in Japan, although they will provide their bank information for payment from outside of Japan. Shipping costs were a lot more than expected so we still owe them money which will be paid when my husband returns to Japan next month. It isn't all that simple, but I plan to stay married so I can keep my paper supply stocked. :-) Good luck! Lynita ------------------------------ From: Marco Flavio Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:09:32 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11765] Gilding a print? Hello there fellow woodblock artists, I am trying to gild (gold and silver) parts of a print. Does anybody know how to do this? (I read Dave's input but I wish to gild large areas, so mica and gold flecks will not do). Or can refer me to some info? Grazie a tutti. Marco Flavio ------------------------------ From: Andrea Cuchetto (Dega) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:29:42 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11766] Re: hmmmm... Well, from an lurker's point of view, I don't know if these steps would work or not, but I find them fascinating to imagine! Hope this (or some of the other member's suggestion) works! best, Andrea. http://www.absolutearts.com/portfolios/a/andreadegastudios/ ------------------------------ Marco, Try metallic inks, although they are oil based http://www.printmakingstudio.com/Studionotes/metalink/metallicink.html I hope this helps, Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango, Printmaker Las Vegas Nevada USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: "Robert" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:37:58 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11768] Re: Gilding a print? charset="iso-8859-1" I have had success using "OLD WORLD" leafing. You can apply it to the paper and print over it, do it "chin cole'" or apply the glue after you print. Good luck Robert ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:52:55 -1000 Subject: [Baren 11769] Re: Gilding a print? Hi Marco, are you interested in applying actual gold and silver leaf? If so, remember that silver leaf will quickly tarnish without an overlaying varnish, and that does not work too well on paper. While the same problem applies for brass leaf used in place of gold, gold leaf itself works quite well on paper. I believe we had a discussion about this some time ago. Jack Marco Flavio wrote: ------------------------------ From: Greg Carter Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:16:10 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11770] Re: Gilding a print? <200010172328.IAA40022@ml.asahi-net.or.jp> I always tend to make things up as I go along and some times they work. I actually laid the gold leaf into the wet ink(thickly applied oil based ink)and it intergrated really well into the image. You can take it a step further and put the leaf down on line images and brush the excess leaf when it drys. This does not look like perfect guilding but it was a nice effect. I used the cheap leaf from Dan Smith-I forgot the brand name. Greg Carter ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:19:46 EDT Subject: [Baren 11771] Re: Gilding a print? i have used gold leaf on paper alot and never had any trouble with it georga ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V13 #1183 *****************************