Baren Digest Tuesday, 10 October 2000 Volume 13 : Number 1172 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vollmer/Yamaguchi Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:57:25 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11599] Gold/Red/Grey Thank you Eli and Graham for the info on stones. I do have the Lee Valley Tools catalogue AND the Japan Woodworker. Interesting that Eli didn't like the Veritas 1000/4000 combination waterstone. I have a synthetic Gold stone and a red/grey (is it a Gold stone if it's red?) one which work fine, but do wear down quicky. I think I'll order Leonard Lee's Complete Guide to Sharpeing. I think when I teach that that is one of the most important things people take away with them. Most will not continue doing Japanese woodcut, but they will all need to know how to sharpen tools, wherever they end up! best, April Vollmer 174 Eldridge St, NYC 10002, 212-677-5691 http://www.aprilvollmer.com ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:22:15 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11600] Re: Lino charset="iso-8859-1" Dan When you explained how you did you r lino plates, did you do them with water based or oil based inks? And what would you consider the better of the two for lino. I have never experimented with lino plates but would like to try. Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:40:05 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11601] Web Page up an running at last charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Barens and Barenettes FINALLY my web page is up and running after my son who is my Web Master, moved and had to go through "whatever" to get it switched over to a new ISP. So to remind those of you who have been eager (hah) to see my lastest endeavors, it is; http://www.jeannenormanchase-art.com Whew! Jeanne N. ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:59:10 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11602] Re: Lino I mostly have worked with water based inks, but have recently been playing with the Oily stuff,see http://www.woodblock.com/forum/members/dew/genesis_day_7.jpg I prefer the water based, don't ask "why" 'cause really don't have a reason, just do. This was done with the water based inks: http://www.woodblock.com/forum/members/dew/proverbs%2015_30.jpg I will say this about the difference between the two: there seems to be less problems in dealing with the oil based inks (humidity, adherence, coverage, etc...) when you are doing one or more colors. You can also use almost any paper when using oil, but you must use a thinner paper when using water based. Also, lino does not "build up" ink like wood. For a simple B/W print, I choose oil based black ink any day over water based. It just looks nicer and covers more consistently. Hope this helps! dan dew ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 11:20:04 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11603] New Year fast approaching Hey, I missed out on the Dragon card exchange, but a new year is just around the corner. Anyone interested in doing a card exchange for the year 2001? What theme? dan dew P.S. It's really not too early if you think about it. ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:30:54 EDT Subject: [Baren 11604] water based inks for lino Hi all, I've enjoyed the discussion on inks to use with lino. I'm sure you'll all find this blasphemous, but I have to admit that in the past I used cheapo Shiva water based inks, they come in a tube and are kind of chalky but for the printing that I was doing at the time they worked fine as I liked that effect. best wishes Sarah ------------------------------ From: baren_member@woodblock.com (Margaret M. Szvetecz) Date: 9 Oct 2000 15:46:03 -0000 Subject: [Baren 11605] Dragon/New Year card exchange Message posted by: Margaret M. Szvetecz Hey Dan, I too missed last year's dragon card exchange, and really felt bad that I couldn't participate. (When I was home for Christmas I showed my father all the frolicking dragons on the web page and he was so impressed.) If we get it started early enough (so I could at least make a guess on how many cards I would need to make before the end of December), I could participate in one this year, being as I have some time between the end of my semester classes and the day I fly home to visit my parents. (I've got my exchange participation booked into my semester schedule, kind of like taking another class...but can't squeeze in dragons unless it is during semester break...) If I remember correctly, last year's dragon/new year card exchange had no theme other than that of having a dragon image (of some kind or other) on the card. Do we want to do one for 2001 like the one for 2000? (That would be my vote.) Also, if I remember correctly, someone--was it Brad?--actually had us each email him and he put up a list of names/addresses on his web site, so we could each mail off our dragon cards to each person who wanted one (unlike the way the exchanges are done via coordinator). I would kind of like it if we could do it the same way, i.e. each person acting as her/his own coordinator. (Help me out bareners if I misremember this...) Margaret (Szvetecz) szvetecz@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:07:52 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11606] Re: Dragon/New Year card exchange #1. I like the idea of mailing directly to each participant, rather than a cordinator. #2. Last year was the year of the Dragon, I think, what would this year be? Dave? Cool. Hopefully I'm not stepping on any toes with this request/idea? dan dew ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:18:56 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11608] Zodiac Dan, 2001 is the year of the snake, not the best image, but an interesting one. I vote we do it, perhaps we can see who can do the most unobvious snake in the grass! I found this by typing in Chineese Zodiac and up it came in my search engine. This internet is truly amazing! Barbara ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 09:55:43 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11610] Re: Dragon/New Year card exchange I'm up for a "snake" exchange too! Thanks for offering to host the names & addresses, Pete! It was really fun last year - as all of us were on a different schedule so the dragons just kept sifting into the mailbox. Always a pleasant surprize. I saved all of mine & get them out every once in a while and go through them again & show them to people. Kids especially love them. Wanda ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:03:35 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11611] Re: Baren Digest V13 #1170 Jean, your new etchings are beautiful! I especially like "Where I Live" I presume that one is for the Aussie exchange?. I hope you are being really careful with that acid stuff. I worry too much I suppose, but that's the reason I like hanga so much - not that some of the pigments aren't toxic themselves. But, that it is easy clean-up & no worry about splashes & stuff. Sons have a way of growing up & finding their own way through life - he'll be fine, I'm sure. The nickname is probably meant to be humorous (you know - dark humor) I wouldn't worry about it too much, it's probably just their way of coping with the Army. Wanda ------------------------------ From: Jim Bryant Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:26:38 -0600 Subject: [Baren 11612] Re: Dragon/New Year card exchange I'm curious, and also new to the list, briefly, what happened in your Dragon exchange? jim- ------------------------------ From: Sharri LaPierre Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:37:13 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11613] Re: Baren Digest V13 #1171 From: Sharri LaPierre Date: Monday, Oct. 9, 2000 Hi Bareners, I received a message from Kate Couchaine and I think I remember seeing her name in one of these digests. I'm trying to return a message to her, but the address I have is undeliverable. Does anyone know her or have an email address for her? Or Kate, if you're reading this, send me a message! Sharri ------------------------------ From: Pedrobot@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:52:32 EDT Subject: [Baren 11614] Re: Dragon/New Year card exchange In a message dated 10/9/00 10:28:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Jim.Bryant@enmu.edu writes: << I'm curious, and also new to the list, briefly, what happened in your Dragon exchange? jim- >> The basic idea was this- Everybody who wanted to participate created a print roughly 4"x 6" relating to the theme of "the Year of the Dragon". They then submitted their name and address to me, and I put up list on my website. Instead of having a master collator or coordinator, the responsibility of sending out the prints was on the artist who made them. So you ended up getting a steady stream of incoming postcard size prints for a couple of months. It was a lot of fun, and I'm looking forward to doing it again. I've put up a (more printer friendly) sign-up sheet for this year's exchange at: http://www.geocities.com/pedrobot2000/snake.html - --Pete ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:55:10 -0500 Subject: [Baren 11615] Re: Dragon/New Year card exchange Slither me in for the snake cards exchange. For those new to Baren who may have missed last years frolicking dragon cards.....they lair is still open forvisits......but please no feeding of live animals to the beasties and pleaseeeeee stay behind the fireproof wall stations !!!!!! http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/dragons.html Be patient, it may take anywhere between 5 seconds to a full minute for the applets and photos to load....some are missing or have escaped.........I counted 21....can you ? Julio ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:05:25 -0500 Subject: [Baren 11616] Re: Dragon/New Year card exchange Briefly. Pete put up a webpage with people's name and address. You had till sometime in ....to signup for it. There was no deadline for mailing the cards....some of us where late.....my image was 1/2 dragon & 1/2 snake (joke!)....Size was limited to 4X6, but some of the dragons ate their mailcarriers and grew tremendously in transit (not a joke!). I believe any kind of printmaking was open. Supposedly you had to make and mail a card to everyone on the list. Some people waited for the post office dragon stamps to come out, a very nice touch. Lots of fun. You can see the dragons at Josephine's Aussie website and/or at my Dragon's Lair site where they are free to frolick around an eat all the small children they can catch. Julio ps. There was also another non-baren exchange going on with a Mrs. Prentice from the University of..... I sent 15 dragons in and got another 15 in return, some very cleverly executed stuff.... ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:34:38 +1000 Subject: [Baren 11618] Master Status Graham asked "Hey you can't just sneak in here after not posting for a whole big batch of time and not explain what you have been up doing..... or not doing." My apologies Graham. We had this little sports event on down here in Sydney and many employers (including my husbands) sent everyone on annual leave. So for two of the weeks we were travelling around, first to Canberra and then along the south coast below Sydney. Had a much needed rest and romantic interlude with my loving husband. Camping in national parks with all the spring flowers and frisky wildlife. I'm hoping to show you some photos in due course. The other major time occupier has been the sacred tree exchange and all the administration to do with the online gallery - which still isnt finished - and the associated exhibitions. Bulgaria, kindly organised by Arafat Al-Naim and Wollongong organised by yours truly. BOth mentioned in Baren Suji. The Wollongong show at Project Gallery was scheduled for late November, early December. I say WAS, because when I went to Wollongong recently to make the final arrangements I discovered that the gallery director had been changed and the new director had cancelled my show without consulting me or even advising me. It seems I was an innocent party to some nasty internal politics. So I am now occupied with discussions with the gallery's management committee as to what they intend to do to compensate me and the sacred tree participants about the loss of show. Not a pleasant situation. I also have to arrange a new exhibition in replacement which will be very difficult as the bigger galleries all book ahead for one to two years. Needless to say the health has suffered from all this also, so I'm not supposed to be on the PC at all at the moment. On the bright side the new exchanges all seem to be going well with an proposed exhibition for the 'where I live' prints forthcoming in Perth WA. Grant came home with an inflatable globe last night and I spent an enjoyable few hours looking up where everyone is. Lots of fun. Maria, weren't you putting together something like this online? Best Wishes Josephine ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:17:22 +0900 Subject: [Baren 11619] Re: New Year card exchange Dan wrote, re the New Year card exchanges: > Cool. Hopefully I'm not stepping on any toes with this request/idea? Dan you've got to be kidding! [Baren] is whatever its members decide it will be. I hope that people aren't stuck on the idea that there is a 'management' here that is controlling the group. Sure, the major exchanges and stuff like that are 'organized' to a degree; that is an essential part of keeping them running. But please don't get the idea that this group is run from the top down. Last year's dragon thing took off wonderfully - a perfect example of a good idea (from 'outside' actually) that spontaneously ignited among the members. You like the idea? Go for it! As for idea that 'snake' would be: > not the best image, but an interesting one. Thousands of people over here in Japan would beg to differ - a snake will curve into whatever shape you can imagine for it. I'm looking forward to getting plenty of interesting cards in the mail locally here this coming January! Dave ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 20:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11623] Re: Dragon/New Year card exchange Julio, I am somewhat alarmed - I think my "Fluffy" has escaped! He is one that grew quite a bit as he traveled through the mails. I see a lot of the smaller dragons are still there (so they apparently weren't gobbled up)- but I didn't see Horacio's Dragon Lady or Jack's "Dragon Kite". Perhaps they are just off on a little jaunt somewhere. I hope your children are still safe! Would you like me to scan in one of "Fluffy"s litter mates & forward it to you? Here's to dragons! (and snakes) Wanda ------------------------------ From: "kate courchaine" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 03:58:57 GMT Subject: [Baren 11624] Re: Baren Digest V13 #1171 Hi! Sharri my e-mail address is; katecourchaine@hotmail.com The New Years snake exchange sounds like a fun idea. I am looking forward to participating in my first print exchange (#8). Have been mulling over what kind of image to make. One aspect of printmaking that has been on my mind lately is drying prints. It seems like I am always getting two-blocked with too many drying prints in my small work area. I have been working with mostly oil based relief ink hand rubbed onto dry paper (use more ink than with a press and damp paper). It really takes a long long time to dry. Using dryers has crossed my mind, I have used them painting, but have hesitated with prints. For drying I have been spreading the prints around, then move to piles with interleaving after a couple days to finish drying. What do you guys think about drying prints? Does any one use dryers in their ink? Ever have problems with it making the ink brittle or any thing else? How do you like to dry your prints? Best wishes to all you printers out there, Kate Courchaine ------------------------------ From: barebonesart Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:19:28 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11625] Re: Baren Digest V13 #1171 Kate, Ahh the problems one little misspell will cause. I hope this one will get to you without any mishaps along the way and that fellow, Mail Administrator, or whatever he call's himself, will stay out of the picture. Sharri So here's the message originally sent: Dear Kate, You should be able to access our site at www.Art2u.com Then click on Northwest Print Council. I just tried it and it is working fine. Let me know, however, if you are unable to get there. Are you using IE or Netscape? IE seems to work better (this is not an endorsement for MS!) There isn't a lot of information on the web site about becoming an artist member - it is geared more to associate members (no geographical constraints). Artist members must reside in OR, WA, ID, MT, AK, HI, Alberta or B. C. We jury every April on the 2nd Sat. Work is usually due the week before. We require 5 recent (within the last 3 yrs.) prints, 4 of them unmatted, all of them unframed. The one that's matted we request that it be matted to our standards, and we'll mail you that information, along with a disclosure statement form to be filled out for each print. Dues are $50 annually. We exhibit artists work internationally, nationally, and regionally. Currently there are exhibitions up at U. of Guanajuato, MX, Oregon State U, Center for the Humanities, and we just concluded an exhibition at University of Portland. We are working on lining up exhibitions in Brazil and Argentina. Exhibitions are according to a rotation list, so everyone is exhibited equally - no favorites for those who happen to live close to the office! We also reach out to local "Fairs", like Art in the Pearl - but since these are labor intense and a drain on the local membership, they are very select. We do educational programs with the Portland Art Museum and present a symposium for teachers entitled "Introducing Printmaking to Your Classroom". We are working with Art Media to see about scheduling some workshops thru their educational outreach program. Also, we have a Grand Open House - this year Nov. 11-12, which is our big Sale and Fund Raiser of the year, and we encourage members to send in work that is shrinkwrapped or backed with matboard or foam core and in plastic sleeves to be sold from the bins. Let me know if you have any other questions. Our Annual Meeting will be Oct. 14, at Kennedy School, let us know if you're interested in coming for it. It is $20 for the day and program. We will start at 9:30 -10 gathering and a continental breakfast. Meeting from 10 - 12 and then the Keynote speaker, Kevin Haas, Prof. of Printmaking and Digital Imaging, WSU Pullman, will speak on Printmaking on the Edge of the Future. That will be followed by a Panel Discussion by Prof.s from PNCA and a Digital Gallery Owner. Then Q & A from the audience, and we have to be out of the room by 3:30. The deadline for reservations is Oct. 10 - If you're interested contact the ofice at nwpc@pacifier.com, or 503/525-9259 - Katherine can take your reservation by phone and visa, if you wish. Sharri LaPierre Pres. NWPC ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V13 #1172 *****************************