Baren Digest Wednesday, 13 September 2000 Volume 12 : Number 1143 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:07:43 EDT Subject: [Baren 11265] prints, etc Hi, I am THRILLED to be a silly season winner, as I am definitely a silly person, and also a major appreciator of Hiroshige, thanks Dave, you are WAY too generous. and Graham, were you talking about using what I know of as a "salad spinner" to dry brushes? Love the idea, I think I'd use a different one for the salad than the brushes though, not sure that I want any thalo blue lettuce :) best wishes all, Sarah ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:08:52 EDT Subject: [Baren 11266] silly win Hi, oops forgot to thank Graham also, as it was his declining the print that let me have the chance to win it- Sarah ------------------------------ From: Daniel Dew Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11267] Butcher Paper I noticed this paper (Butcher Paper) was discussed regarding drawing, but has anyone ever used it for printing? I am working on a block now that would go perfectly with the color, texture etc.... of butcher paper and was just wondering. dan dew ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:44:22 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11268] Re: Butcher Paper >I noticed this paper (Butcher Paper) was discussed regarding drawing, but >has anyone ever used it for printing? I am working on a block now that >would go perfectly with the color, texture etc.... of butcher paper and was >just wondering. > dan dew If you are not concerned about deterioration then use the stuff.... junk would be better word. That paper is made from Kraft pulp and it will go brittle and fall apart in about 10 maybe if you are luck 15 years. My first consideration is always the acid free properties of the substrate I work on. As was expressed to me in Art School .... I think I have said this before...... if you don't have pride in what materials you use then the collectors and curators will pass you by. I consider it to be pride .... in what I do, how I do it and on what I do it. Graham Anything free is worth what you pay for it ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 08:50:49 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11270] Re: prints, etc >and Graham, were you talking about using what I know of as a "salad spinner" >to dry brushes? Love the idea, That's it That's it.... >I think I'd use a different one for the salad >than the brushes though, not sure that I want any thalo blue lettuce :) >best wishes all, >Sarah A good move..... or is it ... A good spin. ------------------------------ From: "Tyrus Clutter" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:06:24 -0600 Subject: [Baren 11272] Re: Butcher Paper While I agree with Graham, I never want to lead people away from experiment= ation. I warn my students all the time about the materials they are using, = but I encourage experimenting with unusual materials at the same time. = Pollock's paintings are slowly falling apart. Rauschenberg started out = using materials that were quite unstable (though he eventually started = getting similar results through silkscreens). Collectors don't shy away = from their work, and I think we are all better off for their experiments. = I guess my advice is always ask about the properties of your materials, = play with them a bit, test longevity (placing something in direct sun for = a few weeks can tell you a lot), then see if it will be worthwhile. There = is always something else which might give a similar result but be more = stable. TyRuS ><~><~><~><~><~><~><~><~><~>< Prof. Tyrus Clutter Director of Friesen Art Galleries Dept. of Art & Music Northwest Nazarene University 623 Holly St. Nampa, Idaho 83686 TRClutter@NNU.edu (208) 467-8398 >>> gscholes@home.com 09/12/00 09:44AM >>> [Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. >I noticed this paper (Butcher Paper) was discussed regarding drawing, but >has anyone ever used it for printing? I am working on a block now that >would go perfectly with the color, texture etc.... of butcher paper and = was >just wondering. > dan dew If you are not concerned about deterioration then use the stuff.... junk would be better word. That paper is made from Kraft pulp and it will go brittle and fall apart in about 10 maybe if you are luck 15 years. My first consideration is always the acid free properties of the substrate I work on. As was expressed to me in Art School .... I think I have said this before...... if you don't have pride in what materials you use then the collectors and curators will pass you by. I consider it to be pride .... in what I do, how I do it and on what I do = it. Graham Anything free is worth what you pay for it ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:10:51 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11273] More on cleaning brushes I woke up last night in a cold sweat..... as I forgot on important factor to mention about cleaning brushes. I HAD a brush that I used exclusively for Blue.... being it was dominate in lot of pieces. I was not diligent about getting it absolutely clean ... figuring, oh well, it is a blue brush and the next time I use it, it will not matter as the colour residue will not affect the new blue I would be using. Wrong Wrong Wrong. What happened .... and it took me a few spoiled pieces of paper to trigger.... the residue that remained after each cleaning, gradually built up and eventually that accumulated pigment began to break away and those little chunks fell on the plate and the brush picked them up and moved them around causing minuet streaks or lines of colour, which printed as such. That just did not enhance the print one iota. So now, I do one other thing as I use my brushes for any colour my little heart desires.... Part way through a printing I will wash the brush to make sure that the pigment never gets a chance to work down deeply into the heel of the bristles. It takes but a few moments to prime the little devil and move onto the last of the prints. This whole scenario is only applicable when I have printing a colour 2 or 3 time to achieve intensity. Whew..... Graham Help stamp out and eradicate superfluous redundancy ------------------------------ From: "Maria Arango" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:52:19 -0700 Subject: [Baren 11275] paper charset="iso-8859-1" Dan, try: Hanhemulle tan, rich tan color Arches or BFK tan, lighter and spongier Ingres/Fabriano tobacco (this is the closest in richness and color to butcher paper) Canson Me Teintes tobacco, use the smooth side, it is a pastel paper but "likes" ink okay All acid free, artist papers, lightfast, of drawing and printmaking superb qualities. I am sure that collectors and curators from all over the world will come'a-knocking and duel for your prints. Another choice would be to print the color you want on standard Hosho paper first, if you are using water based inks. If you are using oil based inks, the sky's the limit when it comes to colored papers. Try some of the paper suppliers in: http://www.printmakingstudio.com/artsupplies.html Experiment! by all means. Health to all, Maria <><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango, Proud PCer Las Vegas Nevada USA http://www.1000woodcuts.com maria@mariarango.com <><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: heather nichols Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Baren 11276] mac vs pc Hello everyone, I have been a baren lurker for a while now, although I have appeared a bit after five. I am from Minnesota. I have worked on many kinds of prints... intaglio, collograph, relief and letterpress. I recently had a small show up in Bemidji MN last April. Unfortunatly I have not gotten my work up on the internet yet, I am currently working on that project! I am writing on the PC vs Mac business at hand. I would definitely go for the Mac for designing purposes, even though PC's are everywhere. I was trained in college in design and Mac was what we used and the design programs (photoshop, quark, illustrator,etc.) were all designed for use on Macs. The better version Macs (G3, G4) even read PC programs...they are that cool. Of course I have to admit that I even have PC and have had to make do with what I have until my piggy bank is full enough to go and get my Mac someday. :) Anyhoo, I am looking forward to joining up on the next exchange! Heather __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "kate courchaine" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:18:43 GMT Subject: [Baren 11277] Re: Butcher Paper Butcher paper for prints I have used it for relief prints and think it looks great, it is not archival and will have a shorter life span than a good print paper, and is not light fast. I have even used paper bags. Kate Courchaine _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Vollmer/Yamaguchi Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:28:03 -0400 Subject: [Baren 11278] Shoes I use shoe brushes for teaching. Actually I was surprised how well they work! not as well as real Japanese horsehair, but many of them are fairly dense, and the hairs are wired into the base, so they don't fall out. I cut them in half mostly. Not bad if you have a big class and a limited budget. Still, you get what you pay for, get the good stuff if you are serious. Paper, brushes, cutting tools. Carol, throw away that Createx and get some pigment dispersions! My class at Brookfield Craft Center was great, a crazy weekend just finished. We printed editions of 15 in a weekend, very busy! Hope some of my students will join us in our famous Baren group. (loved the article, Shireen!) The encyclopedia is top of my list for further reading. Several artists had already visited. One is even thinking of going to Boot Camp! Dave I was checking Japan airlines and found your articles on where to see and buy Ukiyo-e prints! You are everywhere! April Vollmer 174 Eldridge St, NYC 10002, 212-677-5691 http://www.aprilvollmer.com ------------------------------ From: barbara patera Date: Tue, 12 Sep 100 20:38:25 Pacific Daylight Time Subject: [Baren 11279] Re: butcher paper Hi Dan, Have used butcher paper for silk screening and it worked well. This was over 25 years ago and the paper itself shows no sign of discoloring. Also used it recently for some small lino cuts.... was less happy with the results... it doesn't dampen well and I had to be really careful not to get creases in it while applying pressure. But it sure is neat for long skinny prints or drawings.That' all I know on the subject....except that it ain't archival . Barbara P. ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:01:42 +0900 Subject: [Baren 11280] Re: On the way over? April wrote: > Dave I was checking Japan airlines and found your articles on where to see > and buy Ukiyo-e prints! You are everywhere! Heh, heh ... you can't escape! http://www.jnto.go.jp/ ... and look in the 'Culture' section. I did a few of the pages on where to see and buy ukiyo-e prints, but they got some illustrator person to do the page on the 'definition' of ukiyo-e. But April, just what are you doing checking out Japan travel information? When should I expect to see you at the door? *** Gayle Wohlken, coordinator for Exchange #6, tells me that she has now finished mailing the packages. Stand by! (As soon as I hear the first report of 'Got it!', I'll open up the web pages, so that everybody can join in ...) Dave ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V12 #1143 *****************************