[Baren] the mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking

Baren Digest               Tuesday, 25 April 2000       Volume 11 : Number 986
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From: Bella1yopp@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:29:59 EDT
Subject: [Baren 9457] Looking for a site 

Hi all!  I am looking for a particular printmaking site where you can post a 
question and/or answer others questions about issues revolving someway around 
printmaking.  Last time we had computer problems I lost the address.  Is 
anyone familiar with this site?
- -Amanda

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From: Vollmer/Yamaguchi <jy6@columbia.edu>
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:56:17 -0400
Subject: [Baren 9458] Baren-suji Rewards 

I have to tell you all: if you contribute to Baren-suji, and you MAY get a
really nice reward! I wasn't sure if I should tell, because Baren-suji was
almost more than I can read already. Write some useful, concise articles,
and see if Dave still has any nice print rewards left!

April Vollmer

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From: Andrew Stevens <arsteven@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:48:06 -0500
Subject: [Baren 9459] Re: Generating money 

>I was thinking about the need  to generate money so that people 
>who are generous enough to donate their time putting together a show aren't
>unknowingly donating large amounts of money

Y'know, this notion of dues & all sounds a bit like the print makers 
societies that were common at the start of the century, like the Chicago 
Etchers' Society, New York Etchers' Society, and the Prarie Print Makers.
         Artists would join in order to be included in group shows which 
would be toured. Non-artists were allowed to join as well, often at the 
same rate. All received an annual "Gift Print" done by one of the members 
(a major incentive for non-artists to support these groups). I think it was 
generally the officers' duty to organize the shows finding venues on the 
basis of advice from members.
         There may be aspects of this that are of interest to Baren.

Drew
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From: Brad Schwartz <brads@iea.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:00:31 -0700
Subject: [Baren 9460] Re: Looking for a site 

> Hi all!  I am looking for a particular printmaking site where you can post a
> question and/or answer others questions about issues revolving someway around
> printmaking.

I've set up forums on my website if you're interested...
http://www.baschwar.com/printmakers/

Brad
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From: Beth_LaCour@yavapai.cc.az.us
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:03:27 -0700
Subject: [Baren 9461] Re: Looking for a site 

I think you are referring to Printmaking Links at MTSU

Here is the link:

http://www.mtsu.edu/~art/printmaking/print_links.html

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From: "eli griggs" <eli.griggs@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:16:54 -0400
Subject: [Baren 9462] Re: stacking cubes

>currently i am having difficulty keeping them stacked six feet tall. at
>about 5.5'  they always fall. the grouping (making the cubes) are currently

Matthew,

Try tapeing/glueing small, light rare earth magnets strategically  inside
each box.  They're very, very strong and come as small as 3mm diameter and
up to about 42mm, so you can better stage your placement.

Eli Griggs

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From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" <studiojnc@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:18:24 -0400
Subject: [Baren 9465] Re: Exhibit Expenses

According to all the info on this fantastic show that Julio spent so much of
his time and talent and money. I figure that there were 75 participants, of
which 38 sent some money for expenses. That means that almost half of the
participants did not . If you want to be in the exhibitions then you should
foot some of the bill. Julio is out about $300. So if you did not send in
your share, it is not too late.
Every time someone goes to the trouble of exhibiting our work, we should be
expected to help out.
And if you sign up for an exchange, instead of sending the correct amount
for mailing the prints back to us, we should set a standard fee. I know that
sometimes the coordinators have to pay a little extra, besides all the work
that it entails.
As for dues, so many are lurkers , they should not have to pay anything at
all, unless of course they are in an exchange or someone like Julio or Greg
puts on an exhibition .
Had to get into his discussion. And my 10 cents worth.

Jeanne N.

Just received an awesome, gorgeous print from Dave. I think that was above
the call of duty, but I love it anyway. So send in some contributions to
Maria for the Baren Suji, and you might get a present. Oh, oh, Dave, now you
have started something. Or did we???


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From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:04:54 -0700
Subject: [Baren 9466] Re: Baren-Suji surprises

Jeanne and April are right, these are nice little prints! I got mine today
too.
But reward or not, the best reward I had was in watching the first
Baren-Suji come to life and grow into a beautiful collection of--well,
collective thoughts about woodblock printmaking!
Yes, please, contributions are always welcomed, especially if you feel you
have something to offer that is unique or exciting, as long as it is
woodblock related. Even if you do not see how 'your' contribution would fit
into the current format, we would like to make Baren-Suji just a little
different every time. This way you can get the information you need such as
competitions and exhibitions and there always will be a surprise or two.
So, hey! nice little rewards may come, although the best reward I guarantee
is that you will see your piece among the others in YOUR newsletter and say:
"I contributed!"
Okay, that was a little hoaky, but it really was wonderful to get all the
feedback from some folks I didn't even know.
Sharpen up your keyboards, ladies and gentlemen.
The next Baren-Suji deadline is June 15th, let's hear from you!
Health to all,
Maria

P.S. some good thoughts coming in about the funds issue, keep'em coming!

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Maria Arango, Printmaker
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From: David Bull <davebull@woodblock.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:52:22 +0900
Subject: [Baren 9468] Re: Exhibit Expenses 

> ... send in some contributions to Maria for the Baren Suji, 
> and you might get a present. 

Please please ... this is no big deal. I simply felt that it was
important that 'real' contributions to [Baren] projects get some kind of
'real' recognition, in addition to your own satisfaction from seeing the
project come together.

(My main worry just now, is that it is quite possible that I overlooked
somebody ...)    :-(


> Oh, oh, Dave, now you have started something. Or did we???

I think it is most definitely 'we'.  [Baren] is no longer 'my' property
at all; it is now running along on the energy and creativity of its
members. I planted the seed back in 1997 (so long ago!), and then
watered it pretty well as it grew ...

The recent messages dealing with organization and financing have been
very important, and I would like to encourage any of you who have good
thoughts on these topics to speak up now. Even while this Skokie
exhibition is still running, others are on the drawing board, and a
financing method _must_ be put in place before other similar projects
are initiated. It is simply not fair to have the coordinators left
'holding the bag' re expenses.

Many of you have spoken up offering donations to help Julio on this, and
I am gratified to see this kind of support offered. In the case of the
Skokie show, we could not 'demand' a participation fee, because it was
being done 'retroactively' as it were - people who signed up for the
early exchanges had no idea that their prints would be part of such a
display. But now that we have a better idea of what sort of thing we
will be getting into, they can be budgeted more carefully _before_ they
begin, not after.

So some decisions will be made on these matters quite soon, perhaps
within the next few days. Please speak up _soon_, if you have ideas on
this. 

Dave

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From: jenvey@juno.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:15:31 -0500
Subject: [Baren 9469] Re: Paper/Storage-Temperatures 

One small question.  Just finished construction of  studio. The bottom
floor has about 1,000 sq. ft. and the second floor about 700 Sq. Ft.  The
1st level is air conditioned but the second is not.  If you store
printing paper on the second level (with out air conditioning) would the
paper become damaged from the heat. Live in Texas and the summer
temperatures often get between 100 and 110 deg. for several days.

Appreciate any input that you might have.

Thanks

Jean Jenvey

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From: slinder@mediaone.net
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Baren 9470] Re: Exhibit Expenses 

Hi, Everyone!

 It seems appropriate to share expenses for the exhibits, and perhaps having
pieces shown might hinge on shouldering the costs.  We might build in a cushion
to cover unexpected expenses, and apply any excess to the next exhibit.  Asking
that the volunteer exhibit leader also incur financial penalties isn't fair.

I'm grateful that there was no membership fee in this group.  I liked that open,
welcome feeling.  It offers a chance to students and to printmakers who haven't
tried this kind of printing to exercise their curiosity, and it seems an
inviting way to run a list.

I was struck by Julio's generosity in showing his own collection of exchange
prints.  (--I also had nightmares for two nights worrying that his prints would
be taken!)  After all that he did for the exhibit, it would be dreadful for him
to have such a loss.  Perhaps we could collect an extra set of prints in each
exchange that would be designated for exhibit purposes.

Another topic- Perhaps there are list costs that we should consider supporting
through donations also!  Running a list takes lots of time, but there are always
expenses, also!  I have heard nothing about the financing of keeping us all tied
together in this amazing network!  Other lists make quite an issue about keeping
things running, selling advertising, buying through them from Amazon, and asking
for donations to finance whatever keeps it all working.  We should at least
acknowledge that those expenses exist, and have been taken care of.    All
together, boys and girls, "Thank you, David! for  your time, your
thoughtfulness, and for being our benefactor."

Sharen,
near Chicago

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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:42:41 -0700
Subject: [Baren 9471] paper storage 

Jean,
The critical thing is not heat so much as humidity. What part of Texas
are you in? If it is dry where you are, you are probably OK, if you are
in Houston or Galvaston you will really need climate control. Even
clothes in the closet will mildew there, never close those closet doors,
except for major company! Of course very even temperature and humidity
are best, but as I said, excess humidity is your enemy, that and paper
eating bugs. This is why paper comes from the factory stored in paper
and cardboard, not plastic and why conservation boxes are made of
cardboard.
Barbara

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From: Gary Luedtke <GLuedtke@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:54:49 -0400
Subject: [Baren 9472] Exhibition Costs

Why not simply have an Exhibition Participation Fee to cover the related
costs?   You display, you pay.
Get a consensus of exhibition costs, and set the fee accordingly.

Gary



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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:11:05 -0100
Subject: [Baren 9473] Re: Paper/Storage-Temperatures 

>1st level is air conditioned but the second is not.  If you store
>printing paper on the second level (with out air conditioning) would the
>paper become damaged from the heat. Live in Texas and the summer

What kind of paper are you talking about.....?

Generally there would be no problem with the kind of heat you are talk about.
It is humidity that is the villain and very high amounts can cause 
little growies to happen on and in the paper.

Graham

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From: jenvey@juno.com
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Baren 9474] Re: paper storage 

Thanks Barbara,

I live in the Dallas area so we have very little humidity (are already on
water rationing this summer from lack of rain).

So I guess it would be all right to store on 2nd level. I have some
gondola shelving that I was going to put up in sections, back to back,
making each section 55 inches by 42 inches, then lay pegboard along the
metal shelving part and then the paper. Do you think would be allright. 

Thanks

Jean 

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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:34:45 -0100
Subject: [Baren 9476] Re: Exhibition Costs 

I read some where that a members free be levied and an Treasurer be appointed

This would start to structure the Baren and could well get in the way 
of the ease in which it is presently operating.

The best approach is the establish a fee for any exhibition and 
exchange program.  These are not to be lumped, but on a "Pay as you 
Play' basis and as the need demands.  User fee is very popular these 
days and works well.

Not every exchange will be an exhibition.  We have had enough 
exchanges at this time to know the related costs.

With only one exhibition to base the cost on it would be very 
difficult to determine an figure that is correct.  So until more 
experience is acquired it may be best to have the co-ordinator keep 
track of costs and bill the participants  Eventually this might 
become a front load participation cost.  There are so many possible 
variables related to exhibitions it is very possible that we never 
get a handle on it.

Graham

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From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:31:10 -0700
Subject: [Baren 9477] Re: paper storage 

Jean wrote: I live in the Dallas area so we have very little humidity (are already on
> water rationing this summer from lack of rain).

Yes, just make sure you have no bugs, but in a brand new place you should be
OK. My brother and his wife live in Richardson, what part of Dallas are you
in? I will come and see you the next time I visit him! The secret also is air
circulation, I have all my paper in wooden flat files here in Oregon, but my
studio is heated. The humidity here is high, but the temp is mild, never gets
over 90 and usually only for a few days in August. I have had no problem with
humidity and there is a lot of rain here. I nearly died visiting Galvaston,
felt like I was breathing water. I don't know how anyone can live there.

Sounds like your new studio is to die for! What a great space! Only bad part
will be stairs, but even that would be OK to get all that space. My studio is
20x24 with an overhang the same size that my husband is trying to wall in. If
we get it done I will have room to teach classes. I love teaching
printmaking, it gets in your blood. Do you do other things besides woodcut? I
have sure enjoyed the baren this last year, what a wonderful group of people!
All I really need now are 72 hour days!
Barbara
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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:47:50 -0100
Subject: [Baren 9478] Re: paper storage 

>Graham
>
>Various kinds of paper, arches text and cover, Rives BFK and lightweight,
>German etching,  mulberry, sekishu, etc...
>Jean

Well, my last post stands.... Humidity is the killer.
Buying a dehumidifier is a good sollution.

Graham

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