Delivery-Agent: @(#)$Id: local.c,v 1.54 1998/10/30 06:30:53 akira1 Exp $ on trader Received: by j.xx.or.jp (ATSON-1) ; 4 Mar 2000 22:03:15 +0900 Return-Path: Received: from lancer.xx.or.jp (lancer.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.3]) by trantula.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with ESMTP id WAA07191 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:03:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from ml.xx.or.jp (ml.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.111]) by lancer.xx.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD26448AC for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:03:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with SMTP id WAA50382; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:00:14 +0900 Received: by ml.xx.or.jp; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:00:14 +0900 Received: (from ml@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id WAA35760 for baren-digest-outgoing; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:00:14 +0900 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:00:14 +0900 Message-Id: <200003041300.WAA35760@ml.xx.or.jp> From: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Subject: Baren Digest V10 #927 Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Errors-To: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp Precedence: bulk [Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Baren Digest Saturday, 4 March 2000 Volume 10 : Number 927 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jean Eger" Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 05:43:21 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8717] Re: Baren Digest V10 #926 charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry I missed the link to photos from SGC. Please republish that link. Thanks! Jean Eger http://users.lanminds.com/~jeaneger ------------------------------ From: "pwalls1234" Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:46:50 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8718] Re: One more new print charset="iso-8859-1" Pete, The web site look nniiccee-- Looks as if you have quite a good time out there in California?? Just checking things out, another pete (baton rouge) ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:13:21 EST Subject: [Baren 8719] big prints, etc Hi all, as I told Pete, really enjoyed his website, Dimitris thought your really intense print is great, loved seeing the photos of the LA baren meeting and can't wait to see some photos from SGC, Dan, as per Ray Esposito, he used to be a very verbal member of Baren (though I'm sure you heard this from him and more!) Don Furst, glad to hear the news about your daughter, I know we were all thinking positive things - Now finally for a technical question, have any of you hanga folks ever done a print in the range of 32" x 40"?? I'm carving now and that's going fine, but I'd love to hear any tips one might have on the printing part. I may just have it be one block, in which case I wouldn't have to worry about registration, but any tips on keeping the block wet & generally printing that large of an area? I have a ball bearing baren which would probably be appropriate to use for this- back to cutting now, Sarah ------------------------------ From: Gregory Robison Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:38:51 +0300 Subject: [Baren 8720] Re: lino-cut Kampala, 3 March 2000 Dimitris: I'm way behind in looking at people's sites & their posted new work and in commenting on the X4 prints received two weeks ago. Nevertheless, I loved your "St. Refugee" print (my wife is the US Gov's Refugee Coordinator for East Africa...so we're sensitive to refugees). There are so many allusions in your imagery: the "target" around the head is both a nimbus, an aureole of martyrdom, as well as an echo of the act of defiance toward the world of the citizens of Belgrade, of all political stripes, who sported paper targets on their lapels at the nighly rallies during the bombings... There are no explosions here, only the sleek empennage of bombs like the shafts of arrows into the twisted and bound torso of St. Sebastian, so often depicted in Western art and so haunting an image of martyrdom...the upturned hands that suggest resignation, prayer, possibly surrender, maybe even a taunt ("ha, ha, you can't hit me!"), but not really despair or anihilation: "you have pierced my side, you have numbered my bones" - -- those stones of the house are like a rib-cage-- "but I am still standing!" But there is no joy in this taunt, if taunt it is. The eyes are tired, the brow furrowed, the feet flat on the ground: no dancing here ...the uprooted grape vines: all that is solid and ancient and traditional, the grapes that take so long to grow, are pulled away -- and pulled away by the act of running, by the effort to survive, not by the bombs themselves: this is a subtle twist you have added, the image of another kind of collateral damage: the ambiguous, imponderable, unpredictable, profound destruction that accompanies war -- and suggests the comtemptable obfuscation of the perpetrators of horrors in all wars: "It was not we who destroyed your vinyards! You did so yourselves as you ran from our bombs!" ... The semi-open roof through which Saint R. peers has probably been in ruins for years: he'll later claim damages for what is really his own poor maintenance! Clever peasant! ... and that spiky-collared, mean "kuche" biting his leg: yes, his pecker looks like a bomb (and Our Hero's pecker looks like a flaccid piece of drapery...where are your cojones, hombre!?), but it's not a NATO dog; he's a local dog. Maybe St. Ref's own dog. Here is another forgotten fact of war: "You bomb my house and as a result my neighbors can't be trusted, even my own dog even turns on me...everything is on its head!" ... And, finally, the stark horizon: it is not flat like a close-up snap shot. It is not something happening in a remote Balkan valley. We can see the curvature of the earth, and we are therefore forced to realize that this must be quite close to us. It is part of our world, and not very far away. Anyway, I'm a pretty-landscapes-and-poets-drinking-tea type printmaker, but that's what I see in this great print. (Bring one for the Refugee Office when you come to Kampala. It'll shake 'em up a bit!) Yours, Gregory Robison dimitris grammatikopulos wrote: > Hello, Barenworld! > I'd like to show off with a lino-cut I printed this weekend. > It's called "Saint Refugee the Bombed", 46x29 cm ( 18,11"x11,41")and it is > dedicated to all those ...Democrats around the world, who helped the > $/Euro rate down by dropping a couple of thousand ...Democratic and > Justice-loving bombs all around the Balkans! Wasn't that nice?Now I know > why they claimed to serve Justice...She is blind, after all! > regards, > Dimitris > > www.plaindotline.gr/gallery/refugee.jpg > > P.S. Soon to be made in a series called "The Temple of the Chased", a > small memorial to all those that never knew how they lost their > fatherlands, e.g. Indian tribes, Armenians, Ruandians, Yugoslavians, > Cypriots, Greeks of Pontos and many many more adding to the highlights of > Human Achievements. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:18:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8721] Re: big prints, etc Dear Sarah, I usually don't talk about things I haven't tried myself, but in this case I would like to ask you if you'd consider some acrylic paint retarder for your BIG print. There was something that if mixed with water made the drying sequence quiet slower, but can;t recall what it was...It was some trick I used some 5-6 years ago in a watercolour I made. I will let you know, Dimitris any tips on keeping the block wet & generally printing > that > large of an area? > Sarah > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:23:57 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8722] drying and big prints, etc charset="iso-8859-1" Sarah, How about glycerin to hold the drying down? Bea Gold Los Angeles, CA USA http://www/beagold.com ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:31:40 EST Subject: [Baren 8723] Re: questions i have a question for both dimitris and horacio what kind of wood do you use? georga ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 23:13:46 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8724] Re: drying and big prints, etc >Sarah, How about glycerin to hold the drying down? > >Bea Gold wrote.... Orrrrr a brick.... Graham Sorry I just couldn't resist...; ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:08:33 +0900 Subject: [Baren 8725] New catalogue ... A couple of days ago I received Matsumura-san's brand new catalogue of printmaking supplies. It's the first new one in five years, and is totally redesigned, with nifty colour photos of everything and many many new listings. I'm sorry but it's still all in Japanese ... but here's a quick run-down of what's inside, with emphasis on some items that might be of interest to you. 4 pages on plywood, with literally dozens of types and thicknesses listed. 2 pages on their 'specialty' - laminated blocks (plywood core and solid wood top and bottom). (I use these blocks for all my surimono work.) 1 page on a new item for them - solid blocks of cherry, magnolia, and katsura. (Since Shimano-san died last year nobody has been producing these. Matsumura is now starting.) 2 pages of printmaking papers. Of particular interest to at least one member of [Baren] is their new line of sheets large enough to print from a full plywood sheet. Another interesting item here is the pack of postcard size washi sheets (Japanese postcard size) at 50 sheets for 300 yen. (Getting ready for next year's 'snake' exchange, anybody?) 1 page on their 'patented' kento system, and a nifty little jig for registering postcards. 3 pages of barens, and _what_ selection! Everything from 113,000 yen down to 400 yen. Of particular interest is their brand new 'purabaren' (purasutiku baren) - a plastic disc with handle and a ribbed face. 400 yen! It looks quite useable. 1 page of baren accessories: felt pad, bamboo sheaths, camellia oil, teflon film, etc. 2 pages of knives. 1 page of sharpening stones 2 pages of brushes and accessories, including new types at both the top and bottom end. 1 page of carving accessories 2 pages of pigments and accessories 2 pages showing how they can cut the plywood to your special order in a zillion sizes and layouts. And finally, inside the front cover, there is a note about an item that might make some of you sit up and take notice: Beginner's printmaking set, containing the following items: - - 3 small sheets of shina plywood (225 x 150mm) - - the 'purabaren' - - simple 4-colour pigment kit - - pigment mixing dish - - 2 small brushes - - 20 sheets trial printing paper - - 2 sheets tracing paper - - 1 sheet carbon paper (for tracing designs onto the blocks) The above items all go for 2,500 yen. In addition, if you add: - - five piece carving tool set ... the price goes up to 3,900 yen. Recently the US$ is within 10% of parity with the Japanese yen, so for all these prices, just look at them as though they are in pennies. e.g., that baren for 400 yen is around $4. Matsumura-san's English website is still chaotic, so if you are interested in any of this stuff, drop them an email in simple English. They will respond with a quote including shipping. You send an International Money Order, and when they get it, they ship. They are at: woodlike@mtd.biglobe.ne.jp http://www.woodlike.co.jp/ Dave ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:40:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8726] Re: New catalogue ... Great info, David! I think I woodlike one of these catalogues anyway. The starter kit sounds great for a teenage workshop, woodn't you say? 8-) Dimitris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:37:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8727] Re: drying and big prints, etc Makes you think when one cannot resist a brick... oops!playing with the older boys... Dimitris > >Sarah, How about glycerin to hold the drying down? > > > >Bea Gold wrote.... > > Orrrrr a brick.... > > Graham > > Sorry I just couldn't resist...; > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:36:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8728] Re: questions It's called Linoleum Easycutus from the Family of the Lazyprintersolutions Dimitris - --- Aqua4tis@aol.com wrote: > i have a question for both dimitris and horacio > what kind of wood do you use? > georga > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: michael schneider Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 10:58:25 +0100 Subject: [Baren 8729] Re: New catalogue ... David Bull wrote: > A couple of days ago I received Matsumura-san's brand new catalogue of > printmaking supplies. It's the first new one in five years, and is > totally redesigned, with nifty colour photos of everything and many many > new listings. > > I'm sorry but it's still all in Japanese ... but here's a quick run-down > of what's inside, with emphasis on some items that might be of interest > to you. > > 4 pages on plywood, with literally dozens of types and thicknesses > listed. > > 2 pages on their 'specialty' - laminated blocks (plywood core and solid > wood top and bottom). (I use these blocks for all my surimono work.) > > 1 page on a new item for them - solid blocks of cherry, magnolia, and > katsura. (Since Shimano-san died last year nobody has been producing > these. Matsumura is now starting.) > > 2 pages of printmaking papers. Of particular interest to at least one > member of [Baren] is their new line of sheets large enough to print from > a full plywood sheet. Another interesting item here is the pack of > postcard size washi sheets (Japanese postcard size) at 50 sheets for 300 > yen. (Getting ready for next year's 'snake' exchange, anybody?) > > 1 page on their 'patented' kento system, and a nifty little jig for > registering postcards. > > 3 pages of barens, and _what_ selection! Everything from 113,000 yen > down to 400 yen. Of particular interest is their brand new 'purabaren' > (purasutiku baren) - a plastic disc with handle and a ribbed face. 400 > yen! It looks quite useable. > > 1 page of baren accessories: felt pad, bamboo sheaths, camellia oil, > teflon film, etc. > > 2 pages of knives. > > 1 page of sharpening stones > > 2 pages of brushes and accessories, including new types at both the top > and bottom end. > > 1 page of carving accessories > > 2 pages of pigments and accessories > > 2 pages showing how they can cut the plywood to your special order in a > zillion sizes and layouts. > > And finally, inside the front cover, there is a note about an item that > might make some of you sit up and take notice: > > Beginner's printmaking set, containing the following items: > - 3 small sheets of shina plywood (225 x 150mm) > - the 'purabaren' > - simple 4-colour pigment kit > - pigment mixing dish > - 2 small brushes > - 20 sheets trial printing paper > - 2 sheets tracing paper > - 1 sheet carbon paper (for tracing designs onto the blocks) > > The above items all go for 2,500 yen. In addition, if you add: > - five piece carving tool set > ... the price goes up to 3,900 yen. > > Recently the US$ is within 10% of parity with the Japanese yen, so for > all these prices, just look at them as though they are in pennies. > e.g., that baren for 400 yen is around $4. > > Matsumura-san's English website is still chaotic, so if you are > interested in any of this stuff, drop them an email in simple English. > They will respond with a quote including shipping. You send an > International Money Order, and when they get it, they ship. > > They are at: woodlike@mtd.biglobe.ne.jp > http://www.woodlike.co.jp/ > > Dave Just one question: Is this catalouge identical with the .pdf downloadversion? I do not mind the japanese but if the printed one is the actual I would like to own one. michael ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:55:35 +0900 Subject: [Baren 8730] Re: New catalogue ... Michael asked: > Just one question: Is this catalouge identical with the .pdf > downloadversion? I do not mind the japanese but if the printed one is the > actual I would like to own one. Yes it is. I hadn't noticed that they had uploaded a .pdf version. For those of you who would like to download it, links to each section are on this page: http://www.woodlike.co.jp/catalogue.eng.htm (Please remember though, that all the text is still in Japanese). *** Member Sarah Hauser has been busy, and has got some P/R for us ... http://www.webgalleries.com/studionotes/28/computers.html *** Dave ------------------------------ From: michael schneider Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 12:25:45 +0100 Subject: [Baren 8731] Re: New catalogue ... David Bull wrote: > Michael asked: > > Just one question: Is this catalouge identical with the .pdf > > downloadversion? I do not mind the japanese but if the printed one is the > > actual I would like to own one. > > Yes it is. I hadn't noticed that they had uploaded a .pdf version. For > those of you who would like to download it, links to each section are on > this page: > > http://www.woodlike.co.jp/catalogue.eng.htm > > (Please remember though, that all the text is still in Japanese). Just a Note: To enabdel your adobe reader to display to japanese pdf file, you need the plugin for japanese fonts. It is possible to download this for free. At : http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/main.html you may find what you need. ( do not try to download and install the japanese reader, you will waste your time, as this programm expects the japanese fonts already to be installed with your OS.) michael ------------------------------ From: geralds@mailroom.com Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:25:07 GMT Subject: [Baren 8732] Re: Free sites and advertising I agree heartly with Grahams advice on images on the net and including descriptive advice. Also: As a surfer I hate those advertisements on web sites, especially those pop-up windows in geo-cities. As a web site user I don't want to advertise anything that I don't personally endorse. That's one of the reasons I chose crosswinds for my site. There's no limit on size of the site and they promise never to include advertising on your site. (Also it's not US owned. It's Canadian.) On the down side it's occasionally been tied up and unavailable to access. Not that often. Below is a the address for a review of free web sites I came across when I was looking for a virtual home. The Webpage provider review http://www.fwpreview.ngworld.net/ For surfers there is free software that zaps out those peky ads before they can annoy you too much. eg Surf in Peace 2 from www.iconlabs.net >>>>>>> From: Pedrobot@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:36:52 EST Subject: [Baren 8707] Re: New Prints As far as the advertisements go, I can't get rid of them, because they are built into the page, which is provided free by Yahoo!Geocities.com. You get 15 Megabytes of space in exchange for the irritating advertisements. I look forward to the day when I can afford to go to a private provider, but right now free is all my budget allows. - --------------------------------------------------------------- This Message was Powered by Xcel Communications Sign up for your FREE EMAIL account today at http://www.mailroom.com Give your FAX machine an email address http://www.faxroom.com ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #927 ****************************