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r 920


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From: "Jean Eger" <jeaneger@LanMinds.Com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 05:28:04 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8602] hello charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20

Just out of curiosity, does the Baren council have their own private
discussion list going now?  The silence is deafening.
Jean
http://users.lanminds.com/~jeaneger

------------------------------

From: David Bull <davebull@w.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 23:06:06 +0900
Subject: [Baren 8603] Re: Silence ...=20

Jean wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, does the Baren council have their own private
> discussion list going now?  The silence is deafening.

Jean, at 5:30 in the morning, I guess it _is_ pretty silent!  Are you up
late, or up early?  ;-)

As for the Council, that's pretty quiet too these days.  The [Baren]
plate is pretty full right now ... Exchange #5 is cooking away, the
SwapShop is up and running (and more submissions have been received by
Jim, by the way), the first Newsletter is under construction ...  And
then of course a whole lot of [Baren] people are also involved in other
projects: tree exchange, 'money' exchange, etc.

So why is it a little bit quiet?  I guess everybody's busy cutting and
printing!  (I know _I_ am!)

Dave


------------------------------

From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 08:16:06 -0600
Subject: [Baren 8604] "All Quiet on the Council Front"=20

Jean writes:
"Just out of curiosity, does the Baren council have their own private
discussion list going now?  The silence is deafening."

Not much discussion going on right now....after the last two major announ=
cements
earlier this month (Swap shop and changes to the Exchange program) everyo=
ne
seems to be
busy working away......James of course is getting the swapshop project un=
derway
(keep those
prints coming in!), Dave is testing out new software for the Baren forum,=
 Maria
was away for the
LA meeting, others busy working on prints....

For me....besides finishing prints for the Printmakers' forum Money excha=
nge,
Baren's exchange #5,
Josephine's sacred trees and a tiny one for Baren's swap shop.....I am al=
so
working away on the many
emails  I received from bareners for the library show and finalizing the
announcement cards design.

Not much time to do anything else......oh yeah....I have to go to work to=
morrow
morning ....bummer!!!!

Julio



------------------------------

From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:17:14 -0500
Subject: [Baren 8605] Re: Silence ...=20

Glad to see you're up and about!

Could you send me that address again for uploading my perfect little pict=
ure
of myself?

Computer problems.

Dan Dew
USA


------------------------------

From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 11:09:46 -0500
Subject: [Baren 8606] sore arms and hands=20

Anyone know of any good exercises for strenghtening up your baren arm?
Only kidding, sorta.  I'm tired.  Either my image size is too large (9x12=
),
my rollers too small or my tired old body too weak.

I'm in pain  :--(

Dan Dew

------------------------------

From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:15:50 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8607] Re: sore arms and hands=20

Dan,
Take a break and do something else for a day, listen to your body!
Barbara

"Daniel L. Dew" wrote:

> Anyone know of any good exercises for strenghtening up your baren arm?
> Only kidding, sorta.  I'm tired.  Either my image size is too large (9x=
12),
> my rollers too small or my tired old body too weak.
>
> I'm in pain  :--(
>
> Dan Dew


------------------------------

From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:44:08 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8608] Re: sore arms and hands=20

What kind of baren are you using, Dan?  Some barens are just not up to th=
e
kind of torture we put them to!  A 9x12 shouldn't pain you so much - unle=
ss of
course you meant 9feet x12 feet.

Wanda



"Daniel L. Dew" wrote:

> Anyone know of any good exercises for strenghtening up your baren arm?
> Only kidding, sorta.  I'm tired.  Either my image size is too large (9x=
12),
> my rollers too small or my tired old body too weak.
>
> I'm in pain  :--(
>
> Dan Dew




------------------------------

From: Wanda <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:50:05 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8609] Re: hello=20

Seems to be pretty quiet everywhere, Jean. Everyone is exceedingly busy
with one thing or another. Several people are getting ready to do to the
Southern Graphics Council meeting in Florida. And most of us
"stay-at-homes" are keeping our nose to the grindstone on our Junin
toiro print. I managed to *not* sign up for everything that is available
out there in the way of exchanges - but some of us are doing *all* of
those exchanges.

Yay, I think I've learned to say "No"!

Wanda




------------------------------

From: Aqua4tis@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:29:44 EST
Subject: [Baren 8610] Re: hello=20

jean =20
   i dont know about everyone else  but im extremely busy     i still nee=
d to=20
finish my dragons   (a few more to go)     i am working on some illustrat=
ions=20
that i hope will help me get a rep or some jobs, getting ready to do my=20
senior project, applying at school districts for work, and trying to desi=
gn a=20
tree for the sacred tree project
   while im writing this  id like to thank everyone once again for all th=
e=20
beautiful dragons   i love them all    and also for the people who=20
participated in the LA meeting   it was such a shot in the arm for me   =20
theres nothing i like better than to discuss art and being with fellow=20
artists    its rejuvenating and inspiring
:-)    georga

------------------------------

From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:54:52 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8611] dragons and?=20

I feel bad I am not getting dragons. when it started I was really busy
and also sort of sick, and got sicker so it was a good decision. lets
talk about doing this every new year, I like the idea of new year's
cards trading around the world. And I am sick of Christmas Cards. Plus
not everyone celebrates Christmas, although it would be hard if you
lived in the US where they start advertising it the day after Halloween.
(Oct 31st)
Lets plan it so we know what we will do next year and we can be ready,
or as ready as we ever are. Also I like the idea of them sort of
wandering in over several months. A lot of fun.
Barbara

------------------------------

From: "Daniel L. Dew" <ddew0001@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:29:27 -0500
Subject: [Baren 8612] Re: dragons and?=20

if i had a dragon, i'd send you one.  But, i came too late the party also=
, i
have no dragons either.  :-(

Dan Dew

- ----------
>From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>

>

> I feel bad I am not getting dragons.=20

------------------------------

From: Studio Dalwood <severn@acay.com.au>
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:32:43 +1100
Subject: [Baren 8613] Apologies=20

Hi all

Apologies for being quiet.=20

Just dropped in to tell barbara that her application to join the tree
list has to be approved by the moderator (me) and I was away at the
time. Its approved now, sorry for the delay.

Mail to reply to is stacking up, hope to get back to you all soon

Josephine

------------------------------

From: "Horacio" <horacio@centroin.com.br>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:04:49 -0300
Subject: [Baren 8614] Re: SGC charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20

I am just flying to New York and then, on wednesday, to Miami SGC.
In Miami I will be on DUPONT PLAZA HOTEL, tel (305) 3582541.
Let me know about any BAREN meeting.
Thank you,
Hor=E1cio.
PS I must advise you that I don't speak English, so please be patient.:>)=
#

------------------------------

From: "Maria Arango" <maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:24:16 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8615] Re: sore arms and hands charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20

Wanda wrote:
What kind of baren are you using, Dan?  Some barens are just not up to th=
e
kind of torture we put them to!  A 9x12 shouldn't pain you so much - unle=
ss
of
course you meant 9feet x12 feet.

Now, that kind of talk will get my attention every time! 9 x 12 feet?
Hmmmm....
If you are using oil based inks, try a genuine patented "woody mushroom"
baren. No more soreness, no more pressing down, all that it requires is
careful _rubbing_ of the back of the paper so as not to miss any areas. I=
'm
not kidding, I printed 40 of the Renaissance print in a single morning (3=
8"
x 25.5").
Check it out:
http://www.printmakingstudio.com/Studionotes/Woodcut/Woodcut1.html about =
the
bottom of the page. You can make these in fifteen minutes with about $10
worth of materials from your friendly neighborhood home supply store. Or =
I
can sell you one for $123,456.89 :-) plus shipping, of course.

Oh, and push-ups should do the trick. Say 300-500 a day will give you arm=
s
like iron.
Health to all,
Maria

******************************
Maria Arango, Printmaker
Las Vegas  Nevada  USA
http://www.printmakingstudio.com
maria@mariarango.com
mariten@lvcm.com
******************************


------------------------------

From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:48:29 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8616] Re: sore arms and hands=20

>Dan,
>Take a break and do something else for a day, listen to your body!

Barbara

Hummm.  If I did that I would not have printed for the last two years.
I have had shoulder problems cause by the occupational hazzard of=20
bareninging.ing.ing.and the Doc say's stop......
Physio didn't work.....

Being from the old school I will work the damn thing better or Off.

Ultra sound the other day and the doc tells me it is improving.

Ah Ha.... the old school thingie works.

Graham

------------------------------

From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:00:10 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8617] Unrelated....but interesting.=20

3 Major happenings this weekend.

1) Our BC Ladies curling won the Canadian Championship

2) I see Canada won the World Soccer Champions getting the GOLD metal.

3) The blossom count here in Victoria smashed all existing records by a t=
on....
       over 3 billion blossoms.  We never did have winter....

Graham

------------------------------

From: amoss@mindspring.com (John Amoss)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:24:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Baren 8618] re: sore arms=20

Hey Dan-

>From one beginner to another, let me ask:

How high is your work surface? Opinions vary, I've heard heights ranging
from navel level to 3" below for optimum pressure. I also plan someday to
tilt the printing table away from me- maybe worth a try.

I've also had better luck rubbing in kind of a backwards "Z" pattern
pushing up and out with my elbow locked.

Hiroshi Yoshida said:
"In printing, the baren is pressed with the fatty part of the palm. This
means that the strength for rubbing the baren should come not from the ha=
nd
but from the shoulder, the strength of the whole body passing through the
shoulder. Mere manipulation of the hand is not sufficient. "

- ---

If you're using damp paper, stick it in the freezer and give it a rest.

Keep it up and please tell us what YOU find works best.
- -John A.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       AMOSS ILLUSTRATION, INC.
    (706)549-4662 FAX(706)549-3962
         amoss@mindspring.com
       www.mindspring.com/~amoss
365 Ponderosa Dr.,Athens, GA 30605 USA



------------------------------

From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:51:18 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8619] Re: sore arms=20

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"

John wrote....

>How high is your work surface? Opinions vary, I've heard heights ranging
>from navel level to 3" below for optimum pressure. I also plan someday t=
o
>tilt the printing table away from me- maybe worth a try.
>
>I've also had better luck rubbing in kind of a backwards "Z" pattern
>pushing up and out with my elbow locked.
>
>Hiroshi Yoshida said:
>"In printing, the baren is pressed with the fatty part of the palm. This
>means that the strength for rubbing the baren should come not from the h=
and
>but from the shoulder, the strength of the whole body passing through th=
e
>shoulder. Mere manipulation of the hand is not sufficient. "
>

Good advise John....
My posting was just a little foolin' around which I have been known to do=
....
Mind you I was not foolin' about the blossom count.  Final count just=20
in 3.9 Billion.

If I may suggest....
Because of my shoulder problem I now stand to print.
In this position and height of my 36" printing table
See @  http://members.home.net/woodblocks/Worktables.html
I can almost straight arm with a straight back to get the  optimum=20
pressure with less ware and tear on the old bod.....

Graham .
- --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1260416217=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"

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blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
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<div>John wrote....</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite>How high is your work surface? Opinions
vary, I've heard heights ranging<br>
from navel level to 3&quot; below for optimum pressure. I also plan
someday to<br>
tilt the printing table away from me- maybe worth a try.<br>
<br>
I've also had better luck rubbing in kind of a backwards
&quot;Z&quot; pattern<br>
pushing up and out with my elbow locked.<br>
<br>
Hiroshi Yoshida said:<br>
&quot;In printing, the baren is pressed with the fatty part of the
palm. This<br>
means that the strength for rubbing the baren should come not from
the hand<br>
but from the shoulder, the strength of the whole body passing through
the</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite>shoulder. Mere manipulation of the hand
is not sufficient. &quot;<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Good advise John....</div>
<div>My posting was just a little foolin' around which I have been
known to do....</div>
<div>Mind you I was not foolin' about the blossom count.&nbsp; Final
count just in 3.9 Billion.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If I may suggest....</div>
<div>Because of my shoulder problem I now stand to print.</div>
<div>In this position and height of my 36&quot; printing table</div>
<div>See @&nbsp; http://members.home.net/woodblocks/Workt<span
></span>ables.html</div>
<div>I can<i> almost</i> straight arm with a straight back to get
the&nbsp; optimum pressure with less ware and tear on the old
bod.....</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Graham .</div>
</body>
</html>
- --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1260416217=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--

------------------------------

From: B Mason <bemason@concentric.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:00:05 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8620] Strange message=20

Graham,
Your last post came through very strangely, looked like a reply to
John's post but the writing was over the top of the other post, so
unreadable on my computer. Did anyone else have this happen? It must be
those Mac's!
Barbara

------------------------------

From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:17:30 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8621] Re: sore arms=20

- --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1260403844=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"

My first posting of this may have arrived in a jumbled mess.
So I post it again....    Graham


John wrote....

>How high is your work surface? Opinions vary, I've heard heights ranging
>from navel level to 3" below for optimum pressure. I also plan someday t=
o
>tilt the printing table away from me- maybe worth a try.
>
>I've also had better luck rubbing in kind of a backwards "Z" pattern
>pushing up and out with my elbow locked.
>
>Hiroshi Yoshida said:
>"In printing, the baren is pressed with the fatty part of the palm. This
>means that the strength for rubbing the baren should come not from the h=
and
>but from the shoulder, the strength of the whole body passing through th=
e
>shoulder. Mere manipulation of the hand is not sufficient. "
>

Good advise John....
My posting was just a little foolin' around which I have been known to do=
....
Mind you I was not foolin' about the blossom count.  Final count just=20
in 3.9 Billion.

If I may suggest....
Because of my shoulder problem I now stand to print.
In this position and height of my 36" printing table
See @  http://members.home.net/woodblocks/Worktables.html
I can almost straight arm with a straight back to get the  optimum=20
pressure with less ware and tear on the old bod.....

Graham .
- --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1260403844=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"

<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
 --></style><title>Re: [Baren 8618] re: sore arms</title></head><body>
<div>My first posting of this may have arrived in a jumbled mess.</div>
<div>So I post it again....&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Graham</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>John wrote....</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite>How high is your work surface? Opinions
vary, I've heard heights ranging<br>
from navel level to 3&quot; below for optimum pressure. I also plan
someday to<br>
tilt the printing table away from me- maybe worth a try.<br>
<br>
I've also had better luck rubbing in kind of a backwards
&quot;Z&quot; pattern<br>
pushing up and out with my elbow locked.<br>
<br>
Hiroshi Yoshida said:<br>
&quot;In printing, the baren is pressed with the fatty part of the
palm. This<br>
means that the strength for rubbing the baren should come not from
the hand<br>
but from the shoulder, the strength of the whole body passing through
the</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite>shoulder. Mere manipulation of the hand
is not sufficient. &quot;<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br></div>
<div>Good advise John....</div>
<div>My posting was just a little foolin' around which I have been
known to do....</div>
<div>Mind you I was not foolin' about the blossom count.&nbsp; Final
count just in 3.9 Billion.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If I may suggest....</div>
<div>Because of my shoulder problem I now stand to print.</div>
<div>In this position and height of my 36&quot; printing table</div>
<div>See @&nbsp; http://members.home.net/woodblocks/Workt<span
></span>ables.html</div>
<div>I can<i> almost</i> straight arm with a straight back to get
the&nbsp; optimum pressure with less ware and tear on the old
bod.....</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Graham .</div>
</body>
</html>
- --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1260403844=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--

------------------------------

From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:18:28 -0800
Subject: [Baren 8622] Unrelated....but interesting.=20

- --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1260403786=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"

My first posting of this may have arrived in a jumbled mess.
So I post it again....    Graham



3 Major happenings this weekend.

1) Our BC Ladies curling won the Canadian Championship

2) I see Canada won the World Soccer Champions getting the GOLD metal.

3) The blossom count here in Victoria smashed all existing records by a t=
on....
       over 3 billion blossoms.  We never did have winter....

Graham
- --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1260403786=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"

<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!--
blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { margin-top: 0 ; margin-bottom: 0 }
 --></style><title>Unrelated....but interesting.</title></head><body>
<div>My first posting of this may have arrived in a jumbled mess.</div>
<div>So I post it again....&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Graham</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>3 Major happenings this weekend.<br>
<br>
1) Our BC Ladies curling won the Canadian Championship<br>
<br>
2) I see Canada won the World Soccer Champions getting the GOLD
metal.<br>
<br>
3) The blossom count here in Victoria smashed all existing records by
a ton....<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; over 3 billion blossoms.&nbsp; We
never did have winter....<br>
<br>
Graham</div>
</body>
</html>
- --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1260403786=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--

------------------------------

From: Gary Luedtke <GLuedtke@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:48:46 -0500
Subject: [Baren 8623] Unrelated....but interesting. charset=3DISO-8859-1=20

>> The blossom count here in Victoria smashed all existing records by a
ton....
       over 3 billion blossoms.  We never did have winter....

Blossoms of _what_, Graham?    Dandelions?


Gary
KC
USA  =3D



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