Delivery-Agent: @(#)$Id: local.c,v 1.54 1998/10/30 06:30:53 akira1 Exp $ on aardvark Received: by j.xx.or.jp (ATSON-1) ; 21 Feb 2000 22:03:13 +0900 Return-Path: Received: from lancer.xx.or.jp (lancer.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.3]) by trantula.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with ESMTP id WAA18887 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:03:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from ml.xx.or.jp (ml.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.111]) by lancer.xx.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA8E4884 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:03:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with SMTP id WAA43448; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:00:17 +0900 Received: by ml.xx.or.jp; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:00:17 +0900 Received: (from ml@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id WAA52420 for baren-digest-outgoing; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:00:17 +0900 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:00:17 +0900 Message-Id: <200002211300.WAA52420@ml.xx.or.jp> From: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Subject: Baren Digest V10 #913 Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Errors-To: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp Precedence: bulk [Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Baren Digest Monday, 21 February 2000 Volume 10 : Number 913 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gayle Wohlken Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:52:52 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8513] Re: Baren Digest V10 #912 Could people try out my webpages link and let me know who can and cannot access it? I don't know why Julio can't get there. http://homepage.mac.com/gwohlken/album2.html Welcome all new members. Dave, I plan to send things to the Swap Shop, and I am confused about the postcard size. Square is as big as it should get? A lot of us I'm sure will be interested in this way of exchanging prints, but Exchange #5 is a deadline we must attend to right now. Greg needs us to keep vigilant. Swap Shop is a wonderful idea and one I think we all will enjoy. Once I meet my commitments, who knows, maybe I'll like Swap Shop better than exchanges. I like the idea of no pressure on us for time, therefore we can have some creative fun and let our ideas unfold naturally. Gayle ------------------------------ From: Arafat Alnaim Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:01:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8514] Re: late night Happy bairthday Jhon! :-) arafat - --- John Ryrie wrote: > Julio said> > > Hey John.....what's you doinng up this time of > night ??? I mean > day......in > > your side of the world! > > It's 7:30 PM, besides it's my birthday. I might > even stay up till 8.00. > > John > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Arafat Alnaim Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:05:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8515] Re: welcome I want to add my voice to your and wellcome the new members Peter, Patty . Regards Arafat - --- B Mason wrote: > Welcome to new members, glad you are posting. New > blood is always good! > We forget so many people are "listening" or we would > not go on the way > we do! > Happy birthday to all those February people, what a > great group this is! > > Barbara > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:23:58 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8516] La Meeting charset="iso-8859-1" We are in the middle of our LA meeting - yesterday we were at my house (Bea) and today we go to Ruth's - fun to meet Bobby, Georgia, Pete, Maria, Ruth, Dutch and Bea. Roxanne couldn't come because of getting ready for the SGc. We ate, talked, looked, studied, questioned, critiqued and learned. Nice day! Envy the folks going to Miami. Bea ------------------------------ From: Cucamongie@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:51:42 EST Subject: [Baren 8517] New members, show in Baton Rouge, etc In a message dated 00-02-20 08:03:19 EST, you write: << My name is Peter Walls. I live in Baton Rouge, Louisiana but am originally from Rochester, New York. >> Welcome Pete, and Patty (always nice to hear from someone from SF Bay area as I'm an SF native now living in NYC), Gary and other new folks. Pete, just thought I'd mention to you & anyone else in the Baton Rouge area, I have a couple of prints going up in a show at the School for Veterinary Medicine at the University of Louisiana called "Animals in Art" which will be up March 18-April 14. Best wishes all, Sarah ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:06:49 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8518] Re: Baren Digest V10 #912 charset="iso-8859-1" Gayle,....you are coming in loud and clear here in the NW,.....and may I add,...nice stuff!!!! Philip - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gayle Wohlken" To: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 6:52 AM Subject: [Baren 8513] Re: Baren Digest V10 #912 > Could people try out my webpages link and let me know who can and cannot > access it? I don't know why Julio can't get there. > > http://homepage.mac.com/gwohlken/album2.html > > Welcome all new members. > > Dave, I plan to send things to the Swap Shop, and I am confused about > the postcard size. Square is as big as it should get? A lot of us I'm > sure will be interested in this way of exchanging prints, but Exchange > #5 is a deadline we must attend to right now. Greg needs us to keep > vigilant. Swap Shop is a wonderful idea and one I think we all will > enjoy. Once I meet my commitments, who knows, maybe I'll like Swap Shop > better than exchanges. I like the idea of no pressure on us for time, > therefore we can have some creative fun and let our ideas unfold > naturally. > > Gayle > ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:59:24 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8519] Gayle's web site Nice site, Gayle. It opened like a charm. Barbara ------------------------------ From: Arye Saar Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:31:27 +0200 Subject: [Baren 8520] Re: Baren Digest V10 #912 Gayle, Got it. Only it took so L.....O.....N.....G! But it was worth it. Arye Gayle Wohlken wrote: > Could people try out my webpages link and let me know who can and cannot > access it? I don't know why Julio can't get there. > > http://homepage.mac.com/gwohlken/album2.html > > Welcome all new members. > > Dave, I plan to send things to the Swap Shop, and I am confused about > the postcard size. Square is as big as it should get? A lot of us I'm > sure will be interested in this way of exchanging prints, but Exchange > #5 is a deadline we must attend to right now. Greg needs us to keep > vigilant. Swap Shop is a wonderful idea and one I think we all will > enjoy. Once I meet my commitments, who knows, maybe I'll like Swap Shop > better than exchanges. I like the idea of no pressure on us for time, > therefore we can have some creative fun and let our ideas unfold > naturally. > > Gayle ------------------------------ From: "pwalls1234" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:47:16 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8521] Sarah charset="iso-8859-1" Sarah, Sounds great!! My wife is working on her veterinary degree at LSU and we always check out the show. Will look for your work. pete baton rouge pwalls1234@i-55.com ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:03:42 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8522] Gayle's web site Gayle, I tried it & it worked fine. I don't think I've ever checked it out before! Really like the woodcut "Needle Scratching in Wood" Gorgeous! Is that one of your "Jim Mundie" techniques? You'll have to tell us exactly how you did it. I also clicked on it on Julio's list & it came up fine - maybe the problem is fixed? Wanda Gayle Wohlken wrote: > > Could people try out my webpages link and let me know who can and cannot > access it? I don't know why Julio can't get there. > > http://homepage.mac.com/gwohlken/album2.html ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:06:46 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8523] Various Hi all I've spent the morning scanning dragons and updating the Print Australia website. Some comments. Thanks to Julio's efforts I have found and added several website links that I had overlooked on the dragon card page. My list of sites waiting to be added to the rest of Print Australia is now overflowing and I hope to start catching up soon. Any of these missed sites will be added when I do this, apologies people. I do my best.. Julio, your list at http://www.skokienet.org/bandits/jcrstuff/skokie-exhibit.html does not have a title I think as it appears as a blank line in my browser history list. Please change my details to read Sydney rather than Umina Beach. And check Gregory's last name spelling too. Gayle, over 50% of the images on your website did not load for me. Greetings to new members. I just realised you may not know what I am referring to. The group engaged in some frivolous printmaking and exchanged postcards in celebration of the year of the dragon. They can be seen at http://www.acay.com.au/~severn/Dcards.htm which I have updated today with seven new dragons. Now I can go back to the studio and continue editioning best wishes to you all Josephine ------------------------------ From: "John Ryrie" Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:16:27 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8524] URL charset="iso-8859-1" > Gayle said> > > Could people try out my webpages link and let me know who can and cannot > > access it? I don't know why Julio can't get there. > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/gwohlken/album2.html > > >It works OK hear Gayle. John Melbourne Australia ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:51:31 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8525] Re: Baren Digest V10 #912 >Could people try out my webpages link and let me know who can and cannot >access it? I don't know why Julio can't get there. > >http://homepage.mac.com/gwohlken/album2.html It works for me. Graham There's somet'in skokem in Skokie ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:05:04 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8526] Re: Baren Digest V10 #912 charset="iso-8859-1" Gayle your web site came in fast, clear and lovely! Welcome to all new members and want to know if anyone joined from around the Los Angeles area. (including Nevada of course)We just had our first meeting and it was great. Write up coming soon. Bea Gold Los Angeles, CA USA www/beagold.com ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:10:23 EST Subject: [Baren 8527] Re: Baren Digest V10 #912 In a message dated 02/20/2000 8:32:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, saar1@degania-b.org.il writes: > http://homepage.mac.com/gwohlken/album2.html gail your site is wonderful as is your work nice job!!!!! georga ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:29:46 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8528] Paper question I'm having a discussion with someone at school. She says that Kitikata paper is archival and I'm sure I heard somewhere that it is not. That it has too much wood pulp or something & is too acid to be archival. Will someone please let me know if I'm just hallucinating again or what? McClain's has it listed as in the ph 6.5 to 7.5 range. If so, doesn't this make it fairly acidic? Wanda in Oregon, USA ------------------------------ From: Arafat Alnaim Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:35:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8529] Re: Baren Digest V10 #912 Very good job Gyal. It's opend well here in Sofia, BG. Arafat Al-Naim > >Could people try out my webpages link and let me > know who can and cannot > >access it? I don't know why Julio can't get there. > > > >http://homepage.mac.com/gwohlken/album2.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:50:34 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8530] Re: Paper question >I'm having a discussion with someone at school. She says that Kitikata >paper is archival and I'm sure I heard somewhere that it is not. That it >has too much wood pulp or something & is too acid to be archival. Will >someone please let me know if I'm just hallucinating again or what? > >McClain's has it listed as in the ph 6.5 to 7.5 range. If so, doesn't >this make it fairly acidic? > >Wanda >in Oregon, USA It can probably be considered as a neutral ph This does not however make it Archival..... I bet Jack has the answer..... he's our guru in that field. Graham ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:16:24 EST Subject: [Baren 8531] Re: Baren Digest V10 #912 hello everyone i have had a fabulous weekend i got to meet bea, ruth ,maria ,bobbie, dutch, and pete and they are all wonderful bea is a delightful hostess she not only fed us lunch but dinner as well and she has a fabulous house she did a hanga demo for us that was not only informative but stimulating as well now im inspired and eager to try hanga today we went to ruths house and saw her wonderful studio (im also inspired to build good shelving) she gave us each some awesome handmade paper and we got to see many of her beautiful prints (we saw many of bea's also) so it was a weekend of good food good conversation and good company im looking forward to doing this again thanks guys :-) georga ------------------------------ From: baren_member@w.com (D. Dew) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:07:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Baren 8532] Swap Shop Message posted by: D. Dew I'm so excited, I almost wet my pants!! Sent my prints off Thursday or Friday, can't remember. Also can't wait to get some back also. This is an awesome idea, I've shared it already with some of the Florida Printmakers Society. Too early for some other news, but have big ideas for the Florida Printmakers Society (FPS) next year. Soo many neat things, ya'll are an awesome group. Take a bow, pat yourselves on the back, kiss a mirror, every one of you deserve praise for raising the standard and holding high the fine art of relief printmaking! Dan Dew USA ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:27:39 -1000 Subject: [Baren 8533] Re: Paper question <200002201450.XAA42608@ml.xx.or.jp> <200002201853.DAA48474@ml.xx.or.jp> <200002210519.OAA42528@ml.xx.or.jp> <200002210546.OAA38984@ml.xx.or.jp> Graham Scholes wrote: > >I'm having a discussion with someone at school. She says that Kitikata > >paper is archival and I'm sure I heard somewhere that it is not. That it > >has too much wood pulp or something & is too acid to be archival. Will > >someone please let me know if I'm just hallucinating again or what? > > > >McClain's has it listed as in the ph 6.5 to 7.5 range. If so, doesn't > >this make it fairly acidic? > > > >Wanda > >in Oregon, USA > > It can probably be considered as a neutral ph > This does not however make it Archival..... > I bet Jack has the answer..... he's our guru in that field. Ok, I guess I'd better cough up an answer after that. The life span of paper is a function of the raw materials that it is made of, any process that it has gone through after manufacture, like sizing, and the relative acid levels in the finished sheet. While ground pulp papers are among the least durable, sulphite pulp papers, made from wood pulp chemically treated to remove lignin and natural resins, can be fairly durable. I'm not sure which pulp is used in Kitakata, but it is only used in the 10% range, and the words "wood pulp" alone do not necessarily mean a bad paper. The measurement of acidity in paper is expressed in a 14 point scale, with 7 being completely "neutral", and all the sources for Kitikata that I have list it well within the "neutral" range of acidity. Unfortunately, the most important factor in the longevity of your work of art is quite out of your hands, and that is how it is handled and stored. I'm sure that there is an "official" definition of archival (probably several), and Kitakata can probably be considered to be quite a durable paper, and I would be quite comfortable in expecting a work of art printed on it to last a very long time if it were stored properly, but whether it can be considered "archival" is a matter of definition. Jack Aiea, Hawaii ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #913 ****************************