Delivery-Agent: @(#)$Id: local.c,v 1.54 1998/10/30 06:30:53 akira1 Exp $ on dora Received: by j.xx.or.jp (ATSON-1) ; 14 Feb 2000 22:03:01 +0900 Return-Path: Received: from lancer.xx.or.jp (lancer.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.3]) by trantula.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with ESMTP id WAA20622 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:03:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from ml.xx.or.jp (ml.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.111]) by lancer.xx.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644D848A5 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:03:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with SMTP id WAA26006; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:00:12 +0900 Received: by ml.xx.or.jp; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:00:12 +0900 Received: (from ml@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id WAA39108 for baren-digest-outgoing; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:00:11 +0900 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:00:11 +0900 Message-Id: <200002141300.WAA39108@ml.xx.or.jp> From: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Subject: Baren Digest V10 #903 Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Errors-To: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp Precedence: bulk [Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Baren Digest Monday, 14 February 2000 Volume 10 : Number 903 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: judy mensch Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8379] Re:Printmaking link Someone put up a printmaking link of printshops and university printships. I lost it when my computer crashed. Could you put it up again? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Judy, NYC ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:29:59 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8380] Re: other print rooms Printmaking Links at MTSU >From: "Ittai Altshuler" >To: >Subject: [Baren 8378] Re: other print rooms Printmaking Links at MTSU >Date: ittai..... just received this e-mail and it was dated....... Mon, 31 Jan 2000 02:02:53 +0200 I think you have to fix your clock..... or get someone to fix it for you. ================================== > Hello try this one there is a room dealing with all type of >printing. ittai > http://www.mtsu.edu/~art/printmaking/print_links.htmlContent-Type: >application/octet-stream; > name="Printmaking Links at MTSU.url" >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="Printmaking Links at MTSU.url" =================================== ------------------------------ From: Ruth Leaf Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:03:42 -0700 Subject: [Baren 8381] Re: Baren Digest V10 #901 Thanks Jandi...love your dragon Ruth - -- http://www.ruthleaf.com ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:21:25 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8382] Re:Printmaking link charset="iso-8859-1" JUDY,....this might be the one,.... WWW.geocities.com/soho/museum/1103/webring.html Philip, Hammond, OR USA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy mensch" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 5:44 AM Subject: [Baren 8379] Re:Printmaking link > Someone put up a printmaking link of printshops and university > printships. I lost it when my computer crashed. Could you put it up > again? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Judy, NYC > ------------------------------ From: Julio.Rodriguez@walgreens.com Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:34:13 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8383] passing it on... Hi Dan, Saw your post on Onelist about your ten year old daugther catching the woodblock bug. Congratulations. My own thirteen year old son seems to be tinkling with it. He called me at work Friday saying he needs to do a speech/presentation/demo for school and wants to do a woodblock print. I guess with having all these prints laying around the house and doing things for the library show something was bound to rub off.....(no pun intended) Julio Rodriguez Skokie, Illinois (formerly from Havana, Cuba) ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:20:26 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8384] Total of the subject. I could not resist this. Yes it is totally unrelated to Hanga. However it is a hangaofagood design. http://www.chris3d.com/pictures/icar.html Ranks up there with the new VW bug. Graham ------------------------------ From: "Jandi Goshert" Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:46:30 PST Subject: [Baren 8385] Re: Who-done-it ? yes indeedy, it is a reduction print - and the first edition on the new press - i must say...i have found the love of my life! haha! thanks for the complement! i hope you all like it. that blue got a little dark after i put the black on~~~live and learn! jandi Penns Woods, USA >From: Wanda >Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp >To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp >Subject: [Baren 8372] Re: Who-done-it ? >Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:23:49 -0800 > >Speaking of beauty & value, Jandi - I got your dragon today! He's very >colorful & wonderful! Did I remember correctly - that this is a >reduction print? And the first thing you printed on your new press? Well >done! > >Wanda > > > >Jandi Goshert wrote: > > > > Yes, but isn't the reason we do things that have no beauty or value to >make > > the things we enjoy (those things with beauty & value) possible? So, in > > actuality, things with no beauty or value really do have beauty and >value > > because they make beauty and value possible..... > > ??????? heh heh. > > jandi > > kooky, usa > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: judy mensch Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 16:00:43 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8386] Re:Printmaking link Thanks Philip; I'll try it. Judy, NYC ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:01:07 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8387] Blushing Dave said "Slightly tangenital lines .... And those that are slightly tangenital are the most difficult of all." Now we have to tan our genitals? ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:16:44 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8388] Wood Engraving, scanning prints, registrations JR said "You will not be able to wipe back as cleanly as you can with a copper engraving, the texture of the end grain will be visible. I think this is a characteristic of the medium rather than a drawback." I have already answered Barbara about this elsewhere, but John's comment spurs me to add something. The shellac and mediums I mentioned can be used to remove the grain if it is desired to do so. You fill in the grain until it no longer prints. You can do sanding to facilitate this too. And yes, you print exactly the same method as a deeply etched plate so blankets are essential. I was originally taught to print relief on a press using blankets and runners. Then I changed print studios and was horrified to see just runners used until I tried it myself and realised it was ok with the correct runners though it didnt give any embossing. But I prefer to have those blankets on there too, for the way it prints and thats what I do. I have remembered I have an example of this that I can scan for you Barbara. Will do with the next batch of dragons and let you know when and where so you can see the results. I have received some prints from Dimitris, and one from Daryl, thanks guys. They are both much bigger than a 4 x 6 card and have a different approach to the subject. I have a box that I am keeping the dragons in and they are too big to fit. Will scan them at the first opportunity along with Wanda's and a few other things. David thanks for you description of printing the seal, something I wondered about and it makes perfect sense to do it the way described. Your description prompts me to comment on registration. It you use lino or plywood that is image to the edge, then the kento registration process isnt appropriate. I have seen many methods and the most successful was this. We have a product here called box board which is a grey cardboard that is similar thickness to the 3 ply or silkcut lino used. The method is to cut a hole into a piece of board into which the plate is fitted/dropped after inking. (You could probably use mattboard) The 'kento' registration marks are drawn onto the board and the paper is laid according to the marks. Or paperthin cardboard corners are attached to the board as 'kento'. This method is particularly useful for reduction printing or jigsaw blocks. Of course if you shellac or pva the board it is easy to clean off any accidental ink marks. (Maybe I should take out shares in a shellac company) I suspect its so quiet on the net because of the denial of service thing. Filling in the gaps Josephine ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:35:07 +1100 Subject: [Baren 8389] Exchange and swapshop announcements First may I congratulate the committee on a job well done. Good solution guys, pat on back. Couple of comments. Four exchanges @ 30 prints is 120 prints or people. May I suggest a limit of 2 exchanges per year per person for reasons of equity? Or soemthing similar for an initial guideline. I am just wondering about the growing size of the group and the growing demand to join in? I think the swap shop is a good idea and the donation of one print per swap to the baren collection is a small price to pay for the benefit gained. Will the prints be distributed on a first in - first out basis? Will there be any attempt to sort them stylistically or otherwise? You did not give a maximum width for postcard size. My other query is that on 'hand pulled' and 'woodblock'. I may be mistaken here but i understood that the exchanges to date have included pressed prints as well as hand pulled? Is this a matter of interpretation or are you seeking to limit this to baren methods as a inducement to encourage the abandonment of the printing press? Ie to get the oily people doing hanga? Secondly, lino has been accepted as a suitable alternative to wood in previous rulings. I find my disabilty makes the cutting of wood difficult and would like the option to continue to use lino where I see fit. So are you reversing this ruling again to encourage more hanga style, or is this also a matter of interpretation. And a third point has just occurred to me. I assume reduction prints are ok but what about hand applied colour? I beleive this is a legitimate hanga technique or will you be requiring that all colour must be applied through plate application and multiplates? Realising how quiet the net is here. Perhaps you could clarify these questions on the website also? Josephine ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:42:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8390] Re: Blushing Use a blanket,like the man said! Dimitris > Now we have to tan our genitals? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:09:20 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8391] Re: Blushing Josephine wrote.... > >Now we have to tan our genitals? I ain't gonna touch this....... Graham ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:16:52 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8392] Re: Blushing >Josephine wrote.... >> >>Now we have to tan our genitals? > >I ain't gonna touch this....... > Or ...... Is it that? Graham ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 16:58:06 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8393] Re: Exchange and swapshop announcements charset="iso-8859-1" Josephine,...I asked some of these same questions a few months back,...everyone seem to think any relief material is okay as well as the method of printing,...suicide blocks, etc.....the question about hand coloring is another point.....someone else can advise if they would.... But the two prints per year per person is about a max for almost everyone,....yet there are times when you want to do more,..... Philip Hammond, OR USA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Studio Dalwood" To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: [Baren 8389] Exchange and swapshop announcements > First may I congratulate the committee on a job well done. Good solution > guys, pat on back. > > Couple of comments. > > Four exchanges @ 30 prints is 120 prints or people. May I suggest a > limit of 2 exchanges per year per person for reasons of equity? Or > soemthing similar for an initial guideline. I am just wondering about > the growing size of the group and the growing demand to join in? > > I think the swap shop is a good idea and the donation of one print per > swap to the baren collection is a small price to pay for the benefit > gained. Will the prints be distributed on a first in - first out basis? > Will there be any attempt to sort them stylistically or otherwise? > > You did not give a maximum width for postcard size. > > My other query is that on 'hand pulled' and 'woodblock'. > I may be mistaken here but i understood that the exchanges to date have > included pressed prints as well as hand pulled? Is this a matter of > interpretation or are you seeking to limit this to baren methods as a > inducement to encourage the abandonment of the printing press? Ie to get > the oily people doing hanga? > > Secondly, lino has been accepted as a suitable alternative to wood in > previous rulings. I find my disabilty makes the cutting of wood > difficult and would like the option to continue to use lino where I see > fit. So are you reversing this ruling again to encourage more hanga > style, or is this also a matter of interpretation. > > And a third point has just occurred to me. I assume reduction prints > are ok but what about hand applied colour? I beleive this is a > legitimate hanga technique or will you be requiring that all colour must > be applied through plate application and multiplates? > > Realising how quiet the net is here. Perhaps you could clarify these > questions on the website also? > > Josephine > ------------------------------ From: "Don & Maria Diener" Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:07:02 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8394] Re: communications, engravings a la intaglio charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all, I'm back up to speed thanks to some extremely thoughtful members who have been forwarding me my daily Baren "fixes." What a wonderful group of people! Kind of broke up my daily routine (check Baren posts, go to studio...) and have been discombobulated for a few days, it's amazing how we are such creatures of habit. On the engravings a la intaglio conversation, something I found by accident. Both end grain maple and resingrave will print intaglio. In fact, you can do viscosity prints and print both intaglio and relief at the same time. Just use different viscosity of inks for the first roll-up, the intaglio, wipe the plate, then roll up for the relief as usual. Don't forget the blankies, as someone recommended. Neato effects this way. You can print your incised lines in a darker or more opaque color and then add the relief as a more transparent or lighter. Check out the etchings in Ruth's site (http://www.ruthleaf.com) for mawwwwveloussss effects in viscosity prints done the conventional way. If you really want to get into this, Barbara, both Rembrandt and I think McClain's carry "resintaglio" which is similar to resingrave but slicker for easier wiping. My only problem is that it does not come in multiple foot-sizes :-) jusssssssst kidding. If you do use the end-grain maple, just sand the dickens out of it, finishing with 1500 grit paper. You'll be able to skate on it, let alone wipe it clean. Enough of that! I'm going to the bar later to see what's going on. Health to all, Maria ****************************** Maria Arango, Beensolonely Printmaker Las Vegas Nevada USA http://www.printmakingstudio.com maria@mariarango.com mariten@lvcm.com ****************************** ------------------------------ From: "D. Dew" Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:20:31 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8395] Re: Exchange and swapshop announcements I have a tendency not to respond to posts like this much, due to my newness to the group and the sometimes brutal responses, but, you hit a sore spot with me. "relief" (key word) printing is relief printing, whether on wood, stone, leather, platic, whatever. "Woodblock" must be on wood, "lino-cut" on lino, etc... Even though all are considered "relief" printing, the technique needs to be designated. A linoblock can not be a woodblock, nor vice a versa. That is why I specifically asked when I joined if I could be allowed to participate even though I worked mainly in lino. The "baren" is a means of burnishing the paper to release the ink, not the material carved into. So I asked if I could play too. But, I, PERSONALLY, have a hard time with colors or ink added after the print is completed (other than signatures, artist stamps, etc). At some point, a print has to become a mixed media piece when anything is added not using the "relief" method. Maybe it's just me, I'm sure this post will kick up some dust on a boring Sunday night. Dan Dew USA - ---------- >From: "Philip Smith" >To: >Subject: [Baren 8393] Re: Exchange and swapshop announcements >Date: Sun, Feb 13, 2000, 7:58 PM > > Josephine,...I asked some of these same questions a few months > back,...everyone seem to think any relief material is okay as well as the > method of printing,...suicide blocks, etc.....the question about hand > coloring is another point.....someone else can advise if they would.... > But the two prints per year per person is about a max for almost > everyone,....yet there are times when you want to do more,..... Philip > Hammond, OR USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Studio Dalwood" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 2:35 PM > Subject: [Baren 8389] Exchange and swapshop announcements > > >> First may I congratulate the committee on a job well done. Good solution >> guys, pat on back. >> >> Couple of comments. >> >> Four exchanges @ 30 prints is 120 prints or people. May I suggest a >> limit of 2 exchanges per year per person for reasons of equity? Or >> soemthing similar for an initial guideline. I am just wondering about >> the growing size of the group and the growing demand to join in? >> >> I think the swap shop is a good idea and the donation of one print per >> swap to the baren collection is a small price to pay for the benefit >> gained. Will the prints be distributed on a first in - first out basis? >> Will there be any attempt to sort them stylistically or otherwise? >> >> You did not give a maximum width for postcard size. >> >> My other query is that on 'hand pulled' and 'woodblock'. >> I may be mistaken here but i understood that the exchanges to date have >> included pressed prints as well as hand pulled? Is this a matter of >> interpretation or are you seeking to limit this to baren methods as a >> inducement to encourage the abandonment of the printing press? Ie to get >> the oily people doing hanga? >> >> Secondly, lino has been accepted as a suitable alternative to wood in >> previous rulings. I find my disabilty makes the cutting of wood >> difficult and would like the option to continue to use lino where I see >> fit. So are you reversing this ruling again to encourage more hanga >> style, or is this also a matter of interpretation. >> >> And a third point has just occurred to me. I assume reduction prints >> are ok but what about hand applied colour? I beleive this is a >> legitimate hanga technique or will you be requiring that all colour must >> be applied through plate application and multiplates? >> >> Realising how quiet the net is here. Perhaps you could clarify these >> questions on the website also? >> >> Josephine >> > ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:16:56 EST Subject: [Baren 8396] Re: Wood Engraving, scanning prints, registrations In a message dated 02/13/2000 2:22:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, severn@acay.com.au writes: > I was originally taught to print relief on a press using blankets and > runners. Then I changed print studios and was horrified to see just > runners used until I tried it myself and realised it was ok with the > correct runners though it didnt give any embossing. But I prefer to have > those blankets on there too, for the way it prints and thats what I do. > josephine what do you mean by runners????? georga ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:32:04 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8397] Re: Wood Engraving, scanning prints, registrations >josephine > what do you mean by runners????? >georga They are akin to gofors Graham ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:41:24 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8398] Re: Exchange and swapshop announcements Dan wrote.... >But, I, PERSONALLY, have a hard time with colors or ink added after the >print is completed (other than signatures, artist stamps, etc). Yes I agree with you here Dan. The moment you add colour or anything to the paper it becomes mixed media .... for the lack of a better word. The argument is that .... well I just wanted to make the piece more personally mine by hand colouring or drawing a 'little bit' into the image.... the operative word is "little bit" my little bit and your little bit could be far different. I believe that it is best not to accept anything but relief technique... Graham Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly. ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:06:16 +0900 Subject: [Baren 8399] Messages, inquiries, etc. Interesting inquiry in the mail this afternoon. This is a bit out of my line, but perhaps some of you can give him advice. (He is of course not on this list, so drop him a line directly with any info you may have.) (Julio, is his place near you? Maybe he can hire you to print up some of these blocks for him?) > We have in our collection several wood blocks that we > would like to make prints of. However, most have ink dried > on them. They are , for the most part, probably 30-40 > years old (at least). My questions are: > 1. How do we clean them? > 2. What precautions do we take when using them? > 3. What is the best way to store them? > These were all from > the estate of a local artist named Roscoe Misselhorn and > people have expressed interest in having copies after > seeing a display of blockprints in our gallery. > (http://www.misselhorn.cjb.net) > Thanks for any help you can give, > Terry Waldron,chairman > Misselhorn Art Foundation > Sparta, Illinois Terry Waldron *** Re, the questions and points about prints for SwapShop: The SwapCoordinator will come down from his attic (where he is currently stripping wallpaper) and answer your queries in due course. But might I recommend for the moment, don't worry so much about these 'details'. He 'knows' what a woodblock print is, and will recognize it when he sees it. Common sense will rule ... *** I got a note from Dan Kelly down in Kyoto the other day. His new web site is up and running at: http://homepage.mac.com/danielkelly/Index.html Note to Maria: before you head over there, get your calculator out and be prepared to figure out just how many feet wide a print of 2m is ... I think he's 'got you beat' in the size sweepstakes ... (For the moment, anyway) ;-) Dave ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #903 ****************************