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Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Baren Digest Monday, 7 February 2000 Volume 10 : Number 894 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ittai Altshuler" Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 03:42:13 +0200 Subject: [Baren 8251] Re: ittai's question charset="iso-8859-8-i" Hi Mary thank you for being so caring , I will to produce some answers, for most times. I work on full blocks without any edges and I like to work on full paper without frame yet I did not succeed , but i like to. Yes, I prefer to cut separate blocks to each color. I work by hand without press and would like to be pretty close if not exact. What I tried is blocking the block by stoppers, all the blocks same size a and making line by pencil on table for the paper, each print was risky and could control it much especially when the edges of paper were soft Thank you again I like colors and I don't want to leave only for painting and silkscreen I am doing Ittai - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Krieger To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 10:39 PM Subject: [Baren 8234] ittai's question > Ittai Altshuler wrote: > > > i did not understood how it is help me. > > Hi Ittai > > It will be easier to offer you more help if you could describe your printing > method in more detail. The 'best' method of registration is the one that works > for your situation. > > Do you work right to the edge of your wood block or do you leave a margin > between your image and the edge of the block? > > Do you print to the edge of your paper or do you leave a margin of paper around > the image? > > Do you cut separate blocks for each colour or use the same block carved away > more and more for each successive colour? > > How close do you need your registration? > > Are you printing on a hand operated press or by rubbing the back of the paper > with a baren or wooden spoon? > > What have you tried up to now? > > Mary Krieger > Winnipeg MB Canada > > ------------------------------ From: "Ittai Altshuler" Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 03:09:34 +0200 Subject: [Baren 8252] Re: Handmade paper in Israel charset="iso-8859-8-i" hello Gregory Yes, I know Natan his address Kibbutz Sde Yoav 79351 Israel and his Phone is 972-7-6721291 fax 972-7-6723733 I think he is still in business I am not on regular connection with him. There is big center Beer Sheva which dealing making paper from Mittnan and other desert plants basically this center is educational, But maybe they are in selling can check, it will take me some time I also know paper studio Oaxaca Mexico with good paper for Etching are you interesting? ittai by the way where is Kampala sorry for the ignorance - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Robison To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 12:06 PM Subject: [Baren 8249] Handmade paper in Israel > Kampala, 6 February 2000 > > Shalom Ittai > > When I had my little press & studio in Jerusalem I occasionally got handmade > paper from a guy named Natan Kaaren who was at that time making paper on Kibbutz > Sde-Yoav (tel. 051-21211) from a plant called mitnan (thimelaea hirsuta), a wild > shrub found in the Negev Desert. The best pieces of that stuff were fantastic: > very long fibered, strong, light, almost transparent. I never could get > consistent amounts of mitnan paper, though. I did some very small editions of > relief prints on it, an engraving of Arabic calligraphy and even letterpress > work. I wonder if he's still in "business"? I never dealt with him directly, > but got the paper through my friend Yehuda Miklaf (tel. 02-717-599), a > bookbinder and printer in Baka/Talpiot. > > Gregory Robison > > Ittai Altshuler wrote: > > > Hello EveryOne > > > > My Name is Ittai altshuler an artist from Israel . I am a painter and > > printer. I am working on site on my own , so in the coming future you can > > see my works which includes of course wood cut works in which I started my > > way as graphic artist. I am also intresting in making hand made paper and i > > try to combine some sheets I made in work, yet is is very difficult to print > > on what i produce manually. > > > > Now is my question. What is the best way to register multi color print when > > you print manually and on papers with soft edges Japanese paper. > > > > Thank you and nice to be part of the group > > Ittai > > > > ------------------------------ From: Mary Krieger Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:41:46 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8253] Re: ittai's question Ittai Altshuler wrote: > I work on full blocks without any edges and I like to work on full paper > without frame yet I did not succeed , but i like to. Since you work right to the edge of the block and would like to work right to the edge of the paper, the kento method is probably not a good fit as it works best if both the block and the paper are larger than the image. When working to the edge of the block, most registration systems require some sort of jig - a frame into which the block is fixed. You can generally remove the block to ink it and replace it in the jig to line up the paper and then print. The jig is the same thickness as the block so that the surface of the jig and the surface of the block are at the same level. > > Yes, I prefer to cut separate blocks to each color. Since you are using different blocks for each colour, you also need a method to line up the carving from block to block. What have you tried so far for this part of the process? > (in answer to What registration method have you tried ?) > I work by hand without press and would like to be pretty close if not exact. > What I tried is blocking the block by stoppers, all the blocks same size a > and making line by pencil on table for the paper, each print was risky and > could control it much especially when the edges of paper were soft This sounds promising. You have a way to fix the block to keep it in the same place in relation to your pencil line for the paper. If your block surface was at a different level than the pencil line, making a jig on which to put your pencil line will improve the accuracy of lining up your paper consistently. You could also replace your pencil line with small tabs of stiff paper. Sometimes these are folded in the shape of a z to make a little slot into which the paper fits. Sometimes they just provide a little ridge against which the paper is slid. These tabs are taped on to the jig - two on the long axis of the image and one on the short axis , in relation to one another like an 'L'. Now you don't have to squint to line up the paper. If you are printing with damp very thin paper so that the edge easily wears down as the printing process goes on, you could try a method I was taught for use in lithography. The printing paper is prepared by marking on the reverse with pencil. These pencil marks are then used to line up with pencil marks on the jig. Mary Krieger Winnipeg MB Canada ------------------------------ From: Ruth Leaf Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:18:47 -0700 Subject: [Baren 8254] Re: Baren Digest V10 #893 Cyndy , The durometers are 15-20 softest 30 is medium (and usually a litho roller) and 50-60 hard. If you need just one roller my suggestion would be the 30. The three different rollers are used in etching for a viscosity print. Ruth - -- http://www.ruthleaf.com ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:36:24 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8255] Re: ittai's question Mary, Is there any chance you can get digital images of your explanation to Ittai's questions... When I read them I could not visualize what you had in mind. If you can get the images and a write up I can post them on my site for all to see. Graham PS this will take me a little time. I am quite far behind in replenishing my inventory and keep on track with the new work. That Art Gallery of Greater Victoria show has cause a bit of a run on my stuff. *PORTFOLIO* ---- http://www.members.home.net/gscholes/ ---- ARTIST DON'T RETIRE ...........THEY DRAW TO A CONCLUSION *** EXHIBITION *** The Art Gallery of Greater Victoria Summer of 1999. Graham was honoured to be exhibited with renowned Canadian artist Walter J. Phillips, 1884/1963. Graham Scholes ............ E-Mail gscholes@home.com 11435 Hawthorne Pl. Sidney, BC. V8L 5J7 PHONE/FAX 250 655 0600 ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:45:03 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8256] registration Ittai, Welcome to Baren There are many registration methods, one of the baren members, Maria Arango has a web site with good information on registration. You can find it at http://www.printmakingstudio.com/studionotes/registration/resgister1.html this should help you a lot, good luck and let us know if we can help you with more problems. Barbara ------------------------------ From: "Jean Eger" Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:58:11 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8257] registration charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Ittai, You wanted to know about methods of registration. I have put diagrams of two methods of multiple-block registration on my web site, under "How to Make A Woodcut." It's at http://users.lanminds.com/~jeaneger. Graham Scholes and Dave Bull also have registration methods posted. You might also consider just eyeballing the registration. One of the best printmakers I know, Robert Brokl, uses eyeball registration and achieves exquisite effects. It's so far off register that you really couldn't consider it a mistake. It could only be done intentionally. Sharen, I typed "Hello Sharen," and it came out "Hui Sharen." I have no idea how that happened. Jean Eger http://users.lanminds.com/~jeaneger ------------------------------ From: inklinepress@inetnebr.com (Jaime) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:21:05 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8258] Re: So many exchanges! Graham - I think that exchanges do provide artists opportunities to show work. At least Three exchanges that I have participated in have been exhibited in University Galleries and One is currently being exhibited at the Sheldon Memorial Gallery in Lincoln, Nebraska. The Sheldon is a very respected Museum Nationally. I have people tell me they have seen my work at these shows and have had other opportunities come about as a result. I must not too that all of the exchanges that I have participated in usually have a 6 month to 12 month deadline. The 3 month turn around that Baren has been doing is unusual. Jaime ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Wilson Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:02:53 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8259] Re: Baren Digest V10 #893 Thanks for the feedback on durometers Ruth and Wanda. Now to do some ordering..... Cyndy ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:25:12 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8260] Re: Linoleum formula..S&M charset="iso-8859-1" Dimitris,......yes there is that drawback,...!!!! But if you are determined to use something other than wood to carve on,...I just now went in the other room and tried a piece of Armstrong Commercial Floor Tile,...the rubberized stuff you see everywhere in stores, 'thought I was going to use in the bathroom,...but no,..but if you warm this stuff up it resembles cutting on linoleum,.....it's gritty and probly will play hell with your knife,...but relative cheap,....But there's a myriad of materials one can cut into,.....once you think about it,....I wish I could be of more help. Good luck Dimitris. Philip - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dimitris grammatikopulos" To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 3:27 AM Subject: [Baren 8250] Re: Linoleum formula..S&M > Hi, Philip! > Unfortunately, I've already tried the stunt,where you make your own > linoleum!After you realise you've survived the stench of boiling together > cork dust,glue and some resin(forgot its name),you come face to face with > the monster of > pouring-carefully-all-that-stuff-on-a-set-of-linen-strings.And then you > realise that you must sand it VERY HEAVY,to get some surface which you can > call improper for your work!Then,you forget all about it and hope there > weren't any witnesses!! > Thanks anyway, > Dimitris > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:06:10 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8261] Re: registration Ittai, Barbara posted the following and have looked at wonder if I need to duplicate what has been stated. Let me know how you make out. >Welcome to Baren >There are many registration methods, one of the baren members, Maria >Arango has a web site with good information on registration. You can >find it at >http://www.printmakingstudio.com/studionotes/registration/resgister1.html ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:12:45 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8262] Re: So many exchanges! Notice to all. We have pretty well exhausted this topic over the past two weeks. The intent of my posting was saying ..... as well as not in lieu of. It boils down to, the more your invovled the better it is. Creating a body of work for a show has to be better than doing one or two works for an exchange. Thank you for your feedback. Graham >I think that exchanges do provide artists opportunities to show work. At >least Three exchanges that I have participated in have been exhibited in >University Galleries and One is currently being exhibited at the Sheldon >Memorial Gallery in Lincoln, Nebraska. The Sheldon is a very respected >Museum Nationally. > >I have people tell me they have seen my work at these shows and have had >other opportunities come about as a result. > >I must not too that all of the exchanges that I have participated in >usually have a 6 month to 12 month deadline. The 3 month turn around that >Baren has been doing is unusual. > >Jaime ------------------------------ From: baren_member@w.com (Dan Dew) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:26:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Baren 8263] Can you help? Message posted by: Dan Dew I would like to be able to show some of my prints in the members page (more recent and better stuff), but I don't have a scanner that allows for slides. So, does anyone have a scanner that can turn slides into jpeg images? If so, would you be willing to do about 5 or 6 for me? Thanks, Dan Dew USA (cold but sunshine) ------------------------------ From: =?iso-8859-1?q?dimitris=20grammatikopulos?= Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:34:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8264] Re: Can you help? Dear Dan, I'd run to the nearest photo-lab and get my slides copied to photo-paper! It's the cheapest solution! regards, Dimitris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Maria Arango Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:05:19 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8265] Re: Can you help? Dan, and anyone else in Baren that suffers from that horrible scannerless/websiteless disease, feel free to send them to me and I will scan for you. Actually, pictures would be better because I can just click with the digie camera and save a step; but if all you have are slides, send them on. Your cost=$0.00, but please send return postage for mailing the thingies right back atcha! My address can be found in: http://www.printmakingstudio.com/artist.html Then I will upload images to Dave for the member's gallery. Also, if you want to be in my site's Invited Artist Gallery in addition to that, send me the slides plus the info in: http://www.printmakingstudio.com/invguide.html Health to all, Maria - -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango, Printmaker The Printmaking Studio http://www.printmakingstudio.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:13:27 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8266] Re: Couple of things ... Grrrooooaaaans across the ocean! Barentine day? Really bad, Dave. Wanda ------------------------------ From: Maria Arango Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:34:12 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8267] key block Okay, okay, let's say I'm hypothetically trying the hanga method, NOT hanging up my delicious oily inks--just trying something else. And then let's say that I follow all the directions that I find in so many sources around the Encyclopedia, Dave's one point lessons, Graham's pages, etc. Now I got me this key block all ready to print and read something to the effect that I'm supposed to glob a bit of pigment and glob a bit of paste on the block...but WHERE? none of these lines are thick enough to glob anything on them, I don't have any black areas that will hold a glob, not even a tiny one-- confused in Vegas HEEEEEELP! Where do I place the pigment and paste when the key block is lines and lines and nothing but lines? Thanks, Maria - -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango, Globless Printmaker The Printmaking Studio http://www.printmakingstudio.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:00:09 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8268] Re: key block >HEEEEEELP! Where do I place the pigment and paste when the key block is >lines and lines and nothing but lines? >Thanks, Congrats..... one small step for Maria..... All that is required is to place a few "globs" of pigment anywhere and equal amount of rice paste beside the pigment. With the Maru Bake brush, (see http://members.home.net/woodblocks/Materials.html you swish it around as Dave calls it until the pigment is spread evenly over all the relief section of the plate. Matters not that it is in the valleys. Lay the paper and burnish swish swish, Dave term again, and presto and impression. Inking with a brush is quite different than inking with a roller that deposits ink on the relief only. Lotsaluck. Graham ps The amount of paste can vary depending on the strength of colour and weather you want texture and flat colours. Experimenting is the key. ------------------------------ From: Maria Arango Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:53:19 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8269] Re: key block > Matters not that it is in the valleys. > oooh, that is sooo scary to an oily person thanks Graham ;-) - -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango, Printmaker The Printmaking Studio http://www.printmakingstudio.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:11:59 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8270] Re: Working together... Dimitris, and anyone else who missed it. Horacio & I did a "collaboration" print a couple of months ago. Great fun and a very good experience for both of us. http://web-ster.com/robertson/menina/ Both of us love to get feedback on this: good, bad, indifferent - we don't care. Well, we care - but we love it all anyway! Wanda dimitris grammatikopulos wrote: > > Hello, Barenworld! > Going through the Baren site,for any missed spots I came along the info > page for #5 and I thought if there could be an evolution to the exchange > thing.What I've thinking about is a page posted around from Barener to > Barener and each would print his little contribution to it! > Wouldn't that be intriguing? ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:25:20 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8271] Re: key block >> Matters not that it is in the valleys. >> >oooh, that is sooo scary to an oily person >thanks Graham ;-) > It is gettin oily/late !!!..... you should be coming to Boot Camp. Based on what I have seen with you drawing abilities and that oily stuff you would shine in the Hanga. If we get any cancellations I will let you know. Graham ------------------------------ From: Arafat Alnaim Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:12:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 8272] Re: ittai's question The only method I know for such a situation is with pins. Regards Arafat __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "DShack" Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:28:16 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8273] Re: Linoleum formula......gravedigging. charset="iso-8859-1" Utrecht Art stores have linoleum for $4/sf, which is the lowest price I've seen, by a factor of 2.5. I too have been experimenting with the Vinyl tile ($0.80/sf). Needs to be heated, its gritty (wonder what that does to the cutting surface), but its cheap. dwight - ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Smith To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 5:44 PM Subject: [Baren 8237] Linoleum formula......gravedigging. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dimitris grammatikopulos" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 2:42 PM > Subject: [Baren 8235] Working together... > > Dimitris....you know we all suffer from art material prices,..and we have a > new member that is a chemist with a great knowledge of formulas,...could it > be that there's something in the way of a formula for linoleum you could > modify and make in small quanities...I think it's just asphaltum and cork, > right? anyone??? Philip > > > > Any linoleum left-overs,people? I've gone around all constructing-sites in > > my hometown looking for it?It hurts paying 100 English pounds for 9m2 to > > Lawrence and Co... > > Gravedigging, > > Dimitris > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ From: B Mason Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 23:29:49 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8274] Lino I have gotten battleship linoleum from a flooring company in the past. Not all of them carry it but if you find one that does you can get it fairly cheap. You have to adhear it to a board as it is only about 1/4" thick or less. Call all the commercial flooring companies, ask if they have it or know who does. Eventually you should track it down. There used to be only one store here that carried it, so you have to really hunt for it. I haven't gotten any for about 8 years. Good luck. Barbara ------------------------------ From: ArtLeBez@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 04:22:18 EST Subject: [Baren 8275] contacts with printmakers in Japan Hello, I have just visitied your web site and joined the members list, I am new to the internet and not quite sure how to proceed. I am writing to find out how I can make contact with woodblock printers in japan. I am a Welsh painter/printmaker, I live and work in France where I run courses and residencies at my studio. We also host photographers and artists from around the world who wish to come and work in S.W. France for a short period of time. I am currrently working on a grant application for a residency in Kyoto, sponsored by the French Government. I am interested in making contacts with printers and artists in Japan, who I may work with during my stay and build the foundations for a lasting cultural exchange. I would be grateful, if you could post this message out to members, and let me know of any specific peolple I should contact. I welcome any ideas or suggestions. Thanks for your time and consideration Yours sincerely, Gary Waters ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:53:13 +0900 Subject: [Baren 8276] Re: contacts with printmakers in Japan > I am interested in making contacts with > printers and artists in Japan, who I may work with during my stay and build > the foundations for a lasting cultural exchange. Hello Gary, hope you will be able to find what you are looking for. There are a number of places in Kyoto where you can study, and the best person to tell you about them is Richard Steiner, who knows everybody down there, and who also runs his own printmaking/teaching studio. Contact him at: steiner@mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp ... and you should find what you're looking for. (He's not on [Baren] at the moment, so you will have to write to him off-list) You may also perhaps get a reply from Juan Guerrero, who _is_ on this list, and who just returned from a trip to Japan to work with printmakers. Any suggestions Juan? Dave ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #894 ****************************