Delivery-Agent: @(#)$Id: local.c,v 1.54 1998/10/30 06:30:53 akira1 Exp $ on spirit Received: by j.xx.or.jp (ATSON-1) ; 3 Feb 2000 22:02:56 +0900 Return-Path: Received: from lancer.xx.or.jp (lancer.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.3]) by trantula.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with ESMTP id WAA29089 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from ml.xx.or.jp (ml.xx.or.jp [202.224.39.111]) by lancer.xx.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE9848A8 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:02:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) with SMTP id WAA21956; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:00:14 +0900 Received: by ml.xx.or.jp; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:00:13 +0900 Received: (from ml@localhost) by ml.xx.or.jp (8.8.8/3.7W) id WAA15174 for baren-digest-outgoing; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:00:13 +0900 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:00:13 +0900 Message-Id: <200002031300.WAA15174@ml.xx.or.jp> From: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Subject: Baren Digest V10 #889 Reply-To: baren@ml.xx.or.jp Errors-To: owner-baren@ml.xx.or.jp Precedence: bulk [Baren]: The mailing list / discussion forum for woodblock printmaking. Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by trantula.xx.or.jp id WAA29089 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Baren Digest Thursday, 3 February 2000 Volume 10 : Number= 889 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham Scholes Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:16:25 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8165] opps=20 This should read.... >I believe it is the creative genes that are tumbling around in our bods.= ... >If they can't get out *through* our fingertips they come out other ways >and sometimes get all jumbled up without the guidance of our Mom or Dads >or a good nights sleep..... ( <: > >Graham ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:28:22 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8166] Re: new image=20 Maria wrote.... >Well, here 'tis. The block is maple, my first on plank maple, paper is >Ingres in what they call Tobacco color, a pastel paper used on the >smooth side. It is a two stage reduction. The carving was a bit more >challenging than previous images. Let me know what you think, will ya? >Thanks, > >http://www.printmakingstudio.com/fullsize/carvedmen.html Two observations..... Wow...... Wonderful...... You have drawn the figure a few times...... Graham ps If you are ever nearby on Monday afternoons do drop in for the life drawing session that go on in my studio..... Victoria Canada. ------------------------------ From: Gayle Wohlken Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:34:14 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8167] Re: Baren Digest V10 #888=20 Maria, your print of the men is very nice. The background color of the paper, then is the darker brown color? Did you use white ink and black i= nk? Gayle ------------------------------ From: "Jeanne Norman Chase" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:54:13 -0500 Subject: [Baren 8168] Re: opps charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20 Graham I "got" it. ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 13:38:16 -1000 Subject: [Baren 8169] Re: new image=20 Maria Arango wrote: Let me know what you think, will ya? Very nice, well drawn, nice line work, well carved, and printed. Is that maple blocks for the color as well as the line block? Looks like it holds fine lines a lot better than basswood. How was it to carve and clear all that maple? Jack ------------------------------ From: Maria Arango Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 16:07:10 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8170] Re: new image=20 Thanks very much for your comments Graham, I do love the figure, more so = the male figure (wonder why? :-) And I do wish I could come by, here in Vega= s there is an off and on figure drawing workshop that does not meet consistently = enough for my needs. Kind of a long drive, though! Gayle Wohlken wrote: > Maria, your print of the men is very nice. The background color of the > paper, then is the darker brown color? Did you use white ink and black= ink? > > Gayle Yes, thanks, the background is the brown color. The first state was to ca= rve out the mid-tone, since that was provided by the paper; don't ever do that, i= t will leave you dingy or is it dinguie, maybe both! Loca, we say en Espa=F1a. I= usually carve the highlights without much guidance, but this time I had to draw b= oth the line and the highlights to make sure I didn't mess up. We just don't thin= k "in midtones." First state, highlights, was a creamy white, there is some gold ink mixed= in there also, but you can only see the pearlish glitter when the light shin= es on it. Second state, lines, was a mixture of burnt umber, black and purple. = What remained is the color of the tobacco paper. > Very nice, well drawn, nice line work, well carved, and printed. Is tha= t > maple blocks for the color as well as the line block? Looks like it hol= ds > fine lines a lot better than basswood. How was it to carve and clear al= l > that maple? > > Jack > Thanks Jack, yes, maple block for everything. To tell you the truth, clea= ring out that much maple was kind of a bear, but I have some seriously large u-chisels that got a heavy workout. It holds a very fine line, I am so delighted, and clears without splintering. I like it so much I'm never go= ing back to birch ply (just as soon as I finish my current stock). This plank= wood has allowed me to carve deeper so that I don't have so much roller-residu= e cleaning up to do before pulling a print. I do wish cherry was easier for= me to get, but this maple may be a very viable substitute. It also does seem ju= st a bit harder than cherry. I just joined two 11" boards together to make a 22" x 16" block, we will = see how that goes. Seemed to join very well, no discernible seam. Better get back to the grind, the lovely, lovely grind! Maria - -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango, Printmaker The Printmaking Studio http://www.printmakingstudio.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 09:50:50 +0900 Subject: [Baren 8171] Moderation ...=20 Time for a dose of 'moderation', in both senses of the word. (1) Print exchanges. I would like to put my moderator's cap on here, and call this topic 'closed' for the time being. We've all had a good chance to express our ideas on this, and a wonderful selection of options is now on the table. =20 Exchange #5 is under way (and of course discussion on this one is completely open to continue). There _will_ be future exchanges, so don't sweat about that. The exact format and structure is now under most considered deliberation. An announcement will be made at the appropriate time. (2) 'Personal' discussions. Here too, I must say 'enough is enough'. Again, all involved have expressed their views very plainly, and there is nothing else to add. Continue if you wish - by _private_ email. If the forum becomes a little bit 'quiet' for a while, then I don't think that would hurt us at all. Please confine your postings for the near future to topics _directly_ related to our main endeavour - improving our woodblock printmaking skills, and communicating information about printmaking activities. Thank you Dave ------------------------------ From: Gregory Robison Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 04:59:50 +0300 Subject: [Baren 8172] Re: Kampala Show Update=20 Kampala, 3 February 2000 dimitris grammatikopulos wrote: > Hello,Gregory! > my prints are ready to go, and so would be I,if not for my teaching > obligations.I have a major question to ask: > How do I sent you the money? > Abd a minor one: > What will it cost me to get photos and a video tape of the exhibition?I= s > that possible at all? > regards, > Dimitris Dimitris: I make public your short, private communication to me to encourage the others! And your two questions may also be of wider interest:=20 1. Don't send me any money for the moment. I'm working on ways to lower the cost, and I'd rather have prints than cash at this point. (I'm in part spurred to good-natured competition by Julio's notice that he can hang a show for $15 in Skokie -- the world's high-rent district ... It simply will not do to have him undercut me on price!) 2. I will be taking a lot of pictures and have engaged the services of a web expert (i.e., a 16-year-old from my older kids' school) to help me put up a site for this show. More on this later. Maria: I would be happy to write up the story of this show for the newsletter, but I wonder if it might be better to run it in an issue after the first one, because your deadline for volume 1 number 1 is before the opening. So much gets done (and gets learned) at the last minute... Incidentally, we lost the best framer in Kampala earlier this week (along with her husband) when the Kenya Airways Airbus dropped into the sea off Abidjan. At my 3-year-old's pre-school we lost two dads... Peace to all, Gregory Robison Les discussions les plus passionn=E9es, il faudrait toujours les terminer par ces mots: "Et puis, nous allons bient=F4t mourir." Jules Renard, Journal, 17 novembre 1901 ------------------------------ From: Wanda Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 18:36:04 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8173] Re: new image=20 So you used white ink and a dark brown ink to do this? I can't tell you how beautiful this is. Drop dead gorgeous! That's what it is.=20 So, how do you like carving on plank hard maple as opposed to....say 4'x 8' birch plywood?=20 As Graham would say: "You got it, kiddo!" Wanda ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:18:37 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8174] Re: new image=20 Maria wrote.... >I just joined two 11" boards together to make a 22" x 16" block, we will >see how >that goes. Seemed to join very well, no discernible seam. > Just a thought about the joining of two boards..... It worked for Maria as a believe that the join did not occur where there was a large area of printed area. I had to join two pieces of Dogwood (for its hardness) to achieve the very fine lines in the piece Sundance http://members.home.net/gscholes/Sundance.html I have experience with trying to join basswood and then realizing that th= e wood at the join expands with the moisture and ..... damn..... a line across a nice blue sky. Joining can be done if you maneuver the image, ie. a horizon line to occur along the line. I was curious Maria..... did you use a live model or photos to achieve th= e image.? Graham ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:21:34 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8175] Re: Kampala Show Update=20 Peace to all, Gregory Robison wrote.... > >Les discussions les plus passionn=3DE9es, il faudrait toujours les termi= ner >par ces mots: "Et puis, nous allons bient=3DF4t mourir." Jules Renard, >Journal, 17 novembre 1901 Hummm that's also when the price of our work goes up..... Graham ------------------------------ From: viscult@prodigy.net.mx Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 22:54:56 -0600 Subject: [Baren 8176] Re: Adress again=20 OK. I guess this is the correct adress for the Artist Book huge site: http://www2.biblinat.gouv.qc.ca/artiste/accueil.htm Juan Guerrero ------------------------------ From: Aqua4tis@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:45:59 EST Subject: [Baren 8177] Re: new image=20 In a message dated 02/02/2000 2:02:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 Maria@mariarango.com writes: > http://www.printmakingstudio.com/fullsize/carvedmen.html maria this is incredible!!!! really a wonderful piece georga ------------------------------ From: "Bea Gold" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:04:48 -0800 Subject: [Baren 8178] Maria's new image charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=20 I see another prize winner for my closet! It is a beautiful print. I wan= t to know more about cutting maple. Have you used cherry? How does maple compare? Bea ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #889 ****************************