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Sender: owner-baren-digest@ml.xx.or.jp X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Baren Digest Wednesday, 19 January 2000 Volume 10 : Number 866 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CHRISTY BLANK Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:46:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 7792] Re: Congratulations - --- Jean Eger wrote: > I guess I got out-voted on the tree idea. I will > have to do a tree full of > flying horses. > I think that could be really cool, if approached right, but I don't think you "have to" do anything. :) > Next week is my first week of teaching art to high > school students. I know > I will screw up, but I don't know exactly HOW I will > screw up. First off, > the slides came out thin, so that's out. Wish me > luck. > Jean They aren't so bad! Just be confident even if you don't really feel it. They can smell blood in the water, heeheehee, no really, teenagers just want to know you are committed and that you really know what you are talking about. I'm sure you'll do fine!!! Are you doing a guest artist lecture?? or are you a student teacher of some kind?? Best of luck!! christina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: CHRISTY BLANK Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:34:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 7793] Re: Dragons coming ...+various - --- Jeanne Norman Chase wrote: > And John, I never lie, just stretch the truth a > little. Congratulations on > your show, love the title Old and New Dreams. Good > title for another print > exchange. OOOH! good idea, I like that one too!! Unlike the tree idea it doesn't give me instant ideas, ( I've already started one, I couldn't wait. But I have so many Ideas, I'll just do another for the exchange) but it has alot of potental!!! > And welcome Kevin, you will find much advice and > many friends and some kooky > people on the Baren but it is the best thing > going!!! > > Jeanne N. Let me save the multiple e-mails and add my welcome to Jeanne's (I like the way she said it) Welcome Kevin, I know you'll have a great time here, I'm so glad I found them too!! Christina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Jean Eger" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:51:48 -0800 Subject: [Baren 7794] Key block charset="iso-8859-1" Dave, THanks for you excellent lessons on the surinomo making: http://www.w.com/surimono/process_3.html However, I have a question. When you take a print from the key block, so as to paste it down for successive color blocks, is that print dampened? Or is it dry? wouldn't it make a big difference in registration whether it was damp or dry? Then after you paste it down, it would dry, would it not? Doesn't it shrink when it dries? More problems? Jean ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:49:37 -1000 Subject: [Baren 7795] Re: Key block Jean Eger wrote: > Dave, > THanks for you excellent lessons on the surinomo making: > http://www.w.com/surimono/process_3.html > However, I have a question. When you take a print from the key block, so as > to paste it down for successive color blocks, is that print dampened? Or is > it dry? wouldn't it make a big difference in registration whether it was > damp or dry? Then after you paste it down, it would dry, would it not? > Doesn't it shrink when it dries? More problems? Since Dave is so busy, I will answer for him, if I may. It is printed dry, or, yes, it would end up a different size. See this page: http://www.w.com/encyclopedia/entries/000_09/step13.html Jack ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:53:48 +1100 Subject: [Baren 7796] Mail and trees David said "these emails should best be 'aimed' just between the people involved. We've done this with each Exchange so far; once the participants list has been set, we set up a CC: field with all the names in it, for messages to go back and forth just between those people." I think I missed something here. Is this happening for #5? I havent seen any of these at all? Do I have to do something to 'join' the participants sublist? Or hasnt it started yet? Confused Josephine Ps Keri, welcome, nice to have you here. Could you and anyone else who sends html mail please change this to plain text only when mailing to baren. It produces a lot of garbled garbage in the digest version. pps I'm just going through all the tree mail to put together the list of who has nominated to be in the exchange. I have set up a Onelist mailing group for the tree exchange organisation which I have called PrintAustralia, so I can use it for other things later. So if all you dryads and tree spirits would like to go join its at http://www.onelist.com/community/PrintAustralia The exchange page is under construction and will be loaded as soon as I have finished. ------------------------------ From: CHRISTY BLANK Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:58:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 7797] Re: Name&gender - --- Graham Scholes wrote: > ElizA wrote.... > >Josephine........ your tree porposal....if it is > not too confining....trees > >are it, for me! > > I have not followed the goings on re this. Can you > bring me up to date. I > may find time to get involved. > > Graham Here is the brief summary of the tree proposal: Josephine asked Dave about sacred trees being the next exchange topic. He told her to ask the list if we were interested. We have been discussing whether we like it or not, most seem to like it, some find it confining, (some have expressed that they believe it would have to be a landscape, and they find that confining. I don't think it has to focus on the landscape aspect, personally, and still others may have other concerns.). I think generally we are interested, but basically I think it has been agreed that if #6 isn't trees, we will do an off list exchange. (waving my magic wand) consider yourself caught up. (grin) christina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:12:24 -0800 Subject: [Baren 7798] Varnishing. and Shina This last week there was a posting re Shina and how it was weak and would not stand up when small lines were cut in the design..... Yes unfortunately it has its limitations. I would like to point out that not all Shina is born equal. I recall last year Marco Flavio Marinucci who was at Boot Camp saying that blocks he picked up from ..... I will let you tell you from where..... was not nearly as good as the stuff I had. I cannot remember the exact details but I think one was that the inner plys were not basswood and there were spaces in the underplys. Also I believe it was 5 ply instead of the seven ply that I had access to. I notice Dave said he does not varnish..... I would not either if I were using the Japanese Cherry wood. But with Shina and or Basswood you are well advised to varnish. This has nil effect on the printing process. It does however afford a little bit of extra strength to the delicate areas of the carving. Cut you varnish...... the best marine varnish you can buy with about 50% thinner. Two coats...... One before carving the plate and another after the plate is finished. Graham ------------------------------ From: CHRISTY BLANK Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:13:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baren 7799] Re: Monsters, Language and Trees Mary, I love the way you expressed this idea!! How true, This is part of what I like about the exchanges, seeing the different ideas that are generated from one idea. I wouldn't want to "steal" someone's idea, but the ideas their work generates in me is energizing. I think your right, our work is generated from our bodies and minds, and that is why this community is so important, and for me, so fulfilling. To "come out" of the studio, and to share with people who can appricate and understand what we are doing is deeply satifying. I think the boss can "chill", I love that you shared your idea Josephine!! I have sooo many cool ideas from it, but I'm only prolific during breaks in school, so never fear, there is no way I'd be able to complete the work, much less compete. (As to the American comment I'd be offended (grin), but I'm a Texan, and therefore exempt. :) ) christina - --- Mary Krieger wrote: > Tell the boss not to worry. Ideas can't be stolen, > only shared. :) > > What makes an image or an exhibition strong is not > simply an idea but how > that idea is expressed and explored in the physical > world. Even if every > single one of us on Baren went ripping into the > studio and emerged months or > years later with a sacred tree exhibition, it would > be pretty doubtful that > those exhibitions would bear much resemblance to > your upcoming show. > Isn't it wonderful to be able to share our knowledge > with each other secure > that our treasure is locked up in an unassailable > storehouse - our own body > and spirit. > > Mary Krieger > Winnipeg Canada > > (Americans are a little myopic about English, aren't > they?) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: David Bull Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:59:37 +0900 Subject: [Baren 7800] Re: Key block Jean wrote: > When you take a print from the key block, so as > to paste it down for successive color blocks, is that print dampened? and Jack stepped up to bat with: > It is printed dry, or, yes, it would end up a different size. Jack is correct here, but may I add a bit? > Doesn't it shrink when it dries? It can, and you really have to be careful. - - don't moisten the surface of the wood first - - use a 'not so wet' glue (a standard 'gum arabic') - - don't put on too much glue (but not enough means 'peeling' problems later) - - work fast - - lay the paper down onto the glue surface, rub it down firmly, and then keep rubbing until things have settled (but being very careful not to rub in such a way that bits of the paper 'slip' in the wet glue ...) Funny that this point comes up just now ... As part of my advance P/R for tomorrow's exhibition, I was on an NHK 'talk' show last Saturday morning, along with Matsuzaki-san the printer and Sekioka-san, a carver. (The three of us were 'sharing' a fifteen minute spot on the program). It was a live broadcast, and this made it difficult for Matsuzaki-san, as they were doing demonstrations, and had to keep paper/blocks, properly moistened, etc. (I was just doing 'Show & Tell' with my surimono prints.). How do you keep a printing block properly moistened ready for action on the set of a live TV broadcast ...? Anyway, Sekioka san had a new block ready for action, and about ten minutes before we went 'on air' was carefully pasting down the hanshita, so that the viewers would be able to see the first cuts on the clean image. But just as the paper went down onto the wet glue on his block, up came the makeup girl and hauled him away to the back of the soundstage to put some kind of junk all over his face. He protested "But, but ... I'm pasting a hanshita ...!" She just ignored him, and pulled him away. 30 seconds later the paper was bubbling up, and wrinkles were appearing all over it. The work would be useless if somebody didn't do something, and fast. Touching another guy's work is a definite 'no-no' though, so I hesitated a minute ... but then decided to go for it. I moved over to his cushion, and carefully rubbed it down into place, and continued rubbing until he came back. He didn't look too happy about all this, but I don't think it was _me_ he was particulary mad at ... *** Josephine asked, about Exchange #5: > I think I missed something here. Is this happening for #5? I havent seen > any of these at all? Josephine, I'm sorry I'm sorry ... I'm very late on this. You'll see something quite soon ... Dave P.S. My girls flew in last night, the boxes are all packed, and now things are starting to roll. The truck arrives in around one hour, and _away we go_! We're taking the digital camera with us, and we have any energy left when we get home this evening, maybe ... ------------------------------ From: Maria Arango Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:43:29 -0800 Subject: [Baren 7801] Featured Artiste To continue with the internationality of Baren, we have a printmaker from Saudi Arabia who is now showing her awesome woodcuts in the Invited Artist's Gallery in my site. She is actually American, but currently living and printing in S.A. Don't miss her work, it is truly something to see (actually, I'm biased, I like it because its BIG!). Go to my main page and click on Cathie Crawford in the Invited Artist Gallery. BTW plank maple cuts oh so beautifully. I do use end-grain for engravings, but I thought I would try plank jus' cuz. It holds a sharp detail and does not splinter, although it is more difficult to control than cherry. Also, dents don't show, so it is more forgiving to denting errors than something soft like shina or birch. I will update on how it prints. I have excess ideas for the Junin Toiro, so if anyone gets desperate you can e-mail me off list hopefully before my brain explodes. Health to all, Maria - -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango, The Happy Printmaker The Printmaking Studio http://www.printmakingstudio.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:16:57 -1000 Subject: [Baren 7802] Re: Varnishing. and Shina Graham Scholes wrote: > > I notice Dave said he does not varnish..... I would not either if I were > using the Japanese Cherry wood. But with Shina and or Basswood you are > well advised to varnish. This has nil effect on the printing process. It > does however afford a little bit of extra strength to the delicate areas of > the carving. Cut you varnish...... the best marine varnish you can buy > with about 50% thinner. Two coats...... One before carving the plate and > another after the plate is finished. I'm just learning this stuff, but I agree with Graham, without the varnish, I've found that basswood does not hold the fine lines I'm trying to carve. I, however, choose to use shellac instead of varnish, it dries faster, and I like the smell better. I cut it way down, even more than 50% thinner on the first few coats, in hopes that it will soak in deeper, and can apply several coats in a fairly short time because it dries so fast. I also found that coating the block created new problems. With regular starch pastes, the hanshita lifts when I'm carving, particularly on fine lines, and especially if I've put on some camellia oil to make the hanshita more transparent. After several experiments, I found that acrylic medium didn't lift at all. I'll let you know later today what kind of luck I have at getting the rest of the paper off when I've finished carving the keyblock. Jack ------------------------------ From: "John Ryrie" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:42:02 +1100 Subject: [Baren 7803] new member charset="iso-8859-1" Welcome Keri John http://www.geocities.com/laddertree ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:59:46 -0800 Subject: [Baren 7804] Shellac... Jack wrote.... >I'm just learning this stuff, but I agree with Graham, without the varnish, >I've found that basswood does not hold the fine lines I'm trying to carve. I, >however, choose to use shellac instead of varnish, it dries faster, Hummmmm I am not absolutely sure but if my memory serves me Shellac is affected and will soften when introduced to water. If you have a shellac on a piece of furniture and one leaves water on it (as with condensation on a glass of water) you get a white ring where the shellac is softened. The shellac softens and the water marks the wood which swells. Graham ------------------------------ From: Graham Scholes Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:00:43 -0800 Subject: [Baren 7805] Re: new member Welcome a board Keri Graham ARTIST DON'T RETIRE ...........THEY DRAW TO A CONCLUSION Graham Scholes ............ E-Mail gscholes@home.com 11435 Hawthorne Pl. Sidney, BC. V8L 5J7 PHONE/FAX 250 655 0600 --- http://www.members.home.net/gscholes/ --- ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:08:35 -0800 Subject: [Baren 7806] Re: Featured Artiste charset="iso-8859-1" Maria,......I looked at the Cathy C pictures,......very nice indeed,..different! And what am I asking for when I go to buy this maple you just mentioned? Watch that exploding head stuff, could be the end of a promising career. Philip - -----Original Message----- From: Maria Arango To: Baren Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 3:45 PM Subject: [Baren 7801] Featured Artiste >To continue with the internationality of Baren, we have a printmaker >from Saudi Arabia who is now showing her awesome woodcuts in ------------------------------ From: Maria Arango Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:36:05 -0800 Subject: [Baren 7807] Re: Maple Phillip wrote: > And what am I asking for when I go to buy this maple you just mentioned? > Watch that exploding head stuff, could be the end of a promising career. > Yeah! not to mention a mess on the carpet! I found the plank maple hanging out in the cabinetry/fine woods area of the Payless Cashways I frequent (your typical home-do-it-yourself hangout). It comes in 3/4" thick and widths from 6" to 12," also various lengths. I bought meself a 48" x 12" board. It is labeled "fine plank maple" and it is not a one-piece board, but has been pieced together with no discerning seams. Very tight grained and smooth finished on both sides. I was pondering joining two 6" pieces of cherry when I saw it. Buena suerte. Maria - -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maria Arango, Printmaker The Printmaking Studio http://www.printmakingstudio.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Studio Dalwood Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:54:32 +1100 Subject: [Baren 7808] Sacred Tree Exchange Website Hi all Have been having a bad link day today. I know it is still not quite right but I have to quit for today, now. I'll have another go tommorrow. I took the liberty of pasting together a participant's list from baren messages. Some people have given a definate 'yes I'm in' other have simply said 'it's a good idea'. All of you have been listed on the page below. http://www.acay.com.au/~severn/sacredlist.htm If you do _not_ want to participate, mail me direct and I'll take you off the list. If you got an email inviting you to join the Onelist discussion group then you are on the list. That is, if the group e-mail I sent worked... If your details are incomplete please mail me the gaps. There's 22 on the list now. I also wrote up the preliminary exchange details. Some details are still up for discussion. The details are at this url. http://www.acay.com.au/~severn/sacred.htm Bookmark the urls till I get a chance to fix the broken links. I think some default settings on my pc have changed or something, I've been here for hours trying to do what usually takes much less time. I've also had problems uploading too. Very hot and bothered here and hours late with the rest of my day. Thanks all Josephine ------------------------------ From: Jack Reisland Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:18:29 -1000 Subject: [Baren 7809] Re: Shellac... Graham Scholes wrote: > > Hummmmm I am not absolutely sure but if my memory serves me Shellac is > affected and will soften when introduced to water... I checked into this. Shellac is a very tough finish, traditionally used for bowling alleys, however, it can form a white cloud when dampened, but that is a function of the wax in the shellac (dewaxed shellac doesn't do it). I don't think that it actually softens the finish, though, just makes unsightly rings on your furniture. I will find out, though, and let you know how it works. At any rate, it can be easily overcoated with a thin lacquer or varnish coat if I've made a problem for myself. Dave S wrote: > With practice, you can slightly dampen the dried-on > hanshita with you finger tip and then "roll-off" the paper ... > The use of any oil before or during carving will soften the wood and never > be removed too (unless you're sealing it tight with varnish and then this > will effect the water-based inks' performance later). > I use solid blocks and don't need to > varnish etc. so take these comments as only opinions from a non-veneer > user! I am using solid blocks, but it is basswood, too soft to hold soft lines without the varnish. I have used the "roll up the paper" technique, but the oil still gave a better view and, darn it, is a whole lot faster! As I have yet to print this block, I'll find out if it presents any problems, but I think that the binder that I used will block the oil from the surface of the block. Thanks, though, for the advise, should I ever find a piece of cherry wide enough to be of use here! ------------------------------ From: Legreenart@cs.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 01:02:24 EST Subject: [Baren 7810] Re: Baren Digest members who entered Hand-Pulled Prints Replies to all who entered Hand-Pulled Prints are in the snail-mail. I had an opportunity to see the slides of only about half of the entries, unfortunately, but it was great to see so many woodcuts this year. Please do not be discouraged if your work was not selected this time, many artists have pieces not selected one year chosen the next. That the competition is amoung some of the best printmkers in the country is what gives the show an excellent reputation. Best wishes, Le Green ------------------------------ End of Baren Digest V10 #866 ****************************