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Baren Digest              Tuesday, 2 November 1999      Volume 09 : Number 765

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From: "Jean Eger" <jeaneger@LanMinds.Com>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:46:53 +0900
Subject: [Baren 6447] 

Graham,
Sorry to lose you for exchange #4.  Couldn't you do a one-color print just
for the exchange?  THink of all the beautiful self-portrait prints you will
be getting in the mail!  Dave set up the rules: the next exchange opens when
the last one is fully subscribed.  The deadline is then 3 months from the
date it was fully subscribed.  He hasn't opened exchange #5 yet, probably
because of the problem you described.  I have to go out walking this morning
before I can start surfing.  So I haven't looked at your new pages yet, but
I will.

Dave,

I love to view your lesson on making the hanshita.  (Did I say it right?)
However, if I sprayed the back of some fine tissue with spray glue and
adhered it to regular copy paper, it would never come off in a thousand
years.  Do you have some special kind of spray glue that just tacks it
temporarily?

Jean
http://users.lanminds.com/~jeaneger

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From: Maria Arango <Maria@mariarango.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:00:59 -0800
Subject: [Baren 6449] Re: Deadlines and exchanges 

Graham wrote:
>Please take my name of the list for Exchange #4.
>I trust you have a waiting list.
>I will look at future exchanges.

So far we have 2 drops for Exchange#4, I think two people were on the
waiting list but I cannot remember who, so I will have to take the time
to look at old e-mails.
My personal opinion on this subject:
The sign up for these was a loooooong time ago. The due dates were
nearly two months apart and the deadline for #4 was already moved back
once to 30 days beyond the original deadline.
I don't feel this is a rush, that is why there are oportunities for
folks to skip an exchange and sign up for the next one. However, I feel
once signed up, the committment is to 29 other fellow artists, who have 
put other things aside to complete the exchange prints. 
Many of you have written me back to say that you were
working hard on this and would have it ready, I appreciate that.
I did warn everyone, in the Exchange #4 information page, that this was
a busy mailing time. I would personally suggest that we keep the deadline
where it is and if prints don't arrive exactly on time, everyone will understand the
delay. If the consensus is to postpone the deadline, so be it. 
Can everyone involved please try to comment so we get an idea of where we stand?
Sorry to be so serious on this one,
Maria

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From: "Philip Smith" <smithart@pacifier.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:07:44 -0800
Subject: [none]

Maria is right you know,...if you commit yourself to this exchange #4 or 
anything else, keeping your word is the measure of a person,...and quite 
honestly I was looking forward to recieving the two prints that are not 
going to be there now,...hoping of course that they will 
reconsider,...you both can quite easily make the deadline you 
know,...and then again you both don't want to miss my bizarre little 
effort.          Philip of Hammond

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From: "Bea Gold" <bnj50@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:32:29 -0800
Subject: [Baren 6451] Re: Deadlines and exchanges 

Right on Maria.  The time line for this exchange has seemed soooooo long -
hey Graham do it easy and let us see your face as you see it!
I love the idea of self portraits and just looked at the sign up for
exchange #4 thinking what fun it will be to see you all.  Bea

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From: Wanda Robertson <robertson@canby.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:43:39 -0700
Subject: [Baren 6452] Re: Deadlines and exchanges 

I have mixed feelings about the deadlines and exchanges. I know from
personal experience that it is really easy to say yes too often and get
over-committed really fast. But on the other hand, the rest of us in the
exchange are really counting on each other to follow through with the
promise made when we signed up for the exchanges.

Granted, these two exchanges sort of piled up on top of each other -
caused (in my mind, anyway) by the large (for me) format of exchange #3
- - which took a long time to fill. And the lure of the smaller formatted
self portrait exchange #4, which filled up really fast.  I think the
idea of a "theme" for the exchanges was an inspiring idea to many of us.

I surely hope that the two people will reconsider their decision about
exchange #4. Perhaps a less ambitious project? Or a one color print? Or
a "fun" print? Mine is done in my head, but I have yet to cut a block
for it. Yes, I am a last minute person - but the thinking and planning
are always in the back of my mind - while I'm driving, washing dishes
(ugh!) etc.

MHO only - your mileage may vary.

Wanda

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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:08:17 -0800
Subject: [Baren 6453] Boot Camp 2000 

We have formulated the plans for next years hanga workshop.

We suggest you book early....
The dates will be (7 days instead of 6)
June 17th through until Friday June 23nd
Arrive here on June 16th ready to start next day
and you leave on Saturday June 24th to get out of our  (<:  hair.

We have a waiting list of a few people and ask them to now
commit so we can finalized an interesting and wonderful boot camp.

The fee structure is detailed below.
with an little surprise (we think) TBA.

Location. Victoria (Sidney) BC.
Workshop: 7 days of Instruction  Studio open 24hrs. $490.00
Maxiumum 7 (seven) students.
This does not include supplies.
Accommodation: 8 nights On Site includes breakfast and lunch. $490.00
Dinners and transportation not included.

Total package...... $970.00 Can$
That's approximately $630.00 US$

You can peruse the accommodations at:
http://members.home.net/3eagles/
This is the same as last year but a new name.

You can peruse the happenings at last years boot camp
http://members.home.net/woodblocks/wksp.html

Marnie and Graham
11435 Hawthorne Pl., Sidney, BC. V8L 5J7
250 655 0600

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From: <hudson@panther.middlebury.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:42:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Baren 6454] Exchange #4 

(This is from Ray H in Vermont)
The end of December deadline is fine with me.   I'm busy with exchange
number three--doing a new print as the one I was all set to mail I
discovered was the wrong size!   (For some reason I was deliriously happy
that from exchange 2 on forever the prints would be of the smaller size!)
Must learn to read carefully one of these days.

Ray

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From: David Bull <davebull@woodblock.com>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:12:39 +0900
Subject: [Baren 6455] Re: various ... 

Jean wrote: 
> Dave, 
> I love to view your lesson on making the hanshita.  (Did I say it right?)
> However, if I sprayed the back of some fine tissue with spray glue and
> adhered it to regular copy paper, it would never come off in a thousand
> years.  Do you have some special kind of spray glue that just tacks it
> temporarily?

http://woodblock.com/encyclopedia/entries/019_01/019_01_frame.html

Yes - the stuff I use is made by 3M and is called (here in Japan,
anyway) 'Type 55'.  #55 is what they call 'low tack', and is used for
things that are not to be permanently stuck together; you can peel
things apart and reset them.  #77 and #99 are progressively stickier
glues.

As for the paper, the thin 'gampi' is far stronger than tissue paper. 
Actually though, it doesn't have to be, as I glue it down onto the block
_before_ removing the backing paper, so it doesn't have to stand on its
own, unsupported by the backing sheet.

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John wrote, re the white-line prints:
> As this book was printed on European paper, with
> dozens of woodcuts in an edition of 275 copies the printing techniques must
> have differed the ones employed by earlier printers.  

While I was reading the preparing Jeanne's article on white-line prints
...

http://woodblock.com/encyclopedia/entries/000_10/000_10_frame.html

... I found myself wondering just why such a slow process was
necessary.  From the perspective of a Japanese printer, such a print
could much more easily be made with traditional techniques.  Carve a
bunch of blocks for the desired colours (leaving the while-line areas
blank of course), and then simply print up as many copies as you
wish, easily and quickly.

But I guess their viewpoint was not to make a bunch of copies, but to
create 'one-off' prints ...

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Ray wrote, re Exchange #3:
> doing a new print as the one I was all set to mail I
> discovered was the wrong size!

Ouch!  I'm sorry to hear this Ray ... I sort of thought that things had
been fairly clear on the sign-up sheet, but I guess I should emphasize
this more clearly next time.

In case anybody else is in doubt, the size for Exchange #3 is the same
as it was for Exchange #1, and the size for Exchange #4 is the same as
it was for Exchange #2.  What policy to follow on sizes for future
exchanges will have to be discussed at that time ...  Anybody else
besides me who leans towards the smaller of the two sizes?  Or should we
keep things varied ...

Dave


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