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Baren Digest               Tuesday, 30 March 1999       Volume 06 : Number 508

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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:09:19 +0000
Subject: [Baren 3777] Re: Day without Sunshine 

Daniel Kelly wrote:
> Re: Jack and April
> Not quite Jack. The binder in Japanese pigment use is ox bone glue. Rice is
> not exactly used here as a binder as it is used to control viscosity.

Ok, I realize that the paste is not a binder in the traditional sense, but it
might be considered a substitue binder in this case. I tried an experiment, and
if a water and pigment ink is printed to paper without the rice paste "binder",
it readily smears upon drying. So how come it doesn't qualify as the binder in
this case?

Jack Reisland

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From: Jack Reisland <reislandj001@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:22:16 +0000
Subject: [Baren 3778] Re: Pastes and binders ... 

Daniel Kelly wrote:
> As for the paste. I use rice paste, like all the traditional printers here
> in old fashioned Kyoto. Wheat is a foreign thing in the land of Yamato Nori.

Not that it really matters today, but the literature supports David, that paste
was traditionally made from wheat in Japan. As for wheat being foreign, wheat
was probably introduced to Japan from China at the same time as noodles,
purhaps long as ago as printing.

Jack

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From: Gayle Wohlken <blueman@pantek.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:16:09 -0500
Subject: [Baren 3779] Re: Baren Digest V6 #507 

Dave wrote the pigments are suspended in:
> 50/50 alcohol water mix, then blended in a bowl
> with the desired amount of water, then mixed on the block with the
> paste.  That's the 'formula' ...

Dave, when you say 50/50 what exactly is the amount per amount of
pigment.  For instance would it be something like  l/4 cup pigment to
l/4 cup water and 1/4 cup of alcohol?  (rubbing alcohol? Drinking
alcohol?) 

Gayle Wohlken

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From: Graham Scholes <gscholes@home.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:43:56 -0800
Subject: [Baren 3780] Re: Day without Sunshine 

Daniel wrote....
>The binder in Japanese pigment use is ox bone glue. Rice is
>not exactly used here as a binder as it is used to control viscosity.

Ox bone glue.....Got anything to do with Paul Bunyon?
You come along and drop an new one with out so much as a howdy-yu-do.
What pray tell is it.

Regards,

Graham

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From: "Daniel Kelly" <daniel@vowel.or.jp>
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:57:05 +0900
Subject: [Baren 3781] Re: Day without Sunshine 

Hello Graham,
I come along with bone glue. It is as Dave said.. basically the same thing
as hide glue... I call it thick soup stock. Its the basic binder for, I
think, all historical binders. It was in Italy and China I know. Its also
used for size in both Europe and Asia.
D

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